Like I said in the beginning, I'm not going to think something is a problem without any proof.The fact is, Larry isn't going to tell us a crystal clear picture, doing so wouldn't be politically correct or in his own best personal interests going forward.
At this point, anyone can assume Simon doesn't want to spend, but that's based on nothing.
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So your evidence is a reporter asking a question?
When Bird responded he has always been allowed to get the player he wanted?
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all i'm going to say is this.
i hope what's happening right now doesn't screw all the positive things about this team lately up. if it does i'm gonna be pissed beyond belief.
I live in a world where I have opinions based on things that happen. Nothing has happened for me to believe that Simon is unwilling to spend. It has been the complete opposite.
I'm asking you why you believe payroll is a possible reason Bird left, and you tell me because a reporter asked a question.
"Cut yourself a slice of life before eternal cold comes down" MRH
Did you watch today? Bird said he knew then he wasn't coming back.
So, you live purely reactionary to everything, never once forecasting what may happen in the future? Interesting.
That is also not true. I said that such speculation is not based PURELY ON NOTHING as you alluded because as part of the proof, even a mainstream reporter asked the same question. Just using sound logic, if multiple people are asking the same thing, generally there is some smoke to a fire. If I need to spell out such signals in that smokestack, I'll be more than happy to: A) Team has suffered financial woes in recent years B) Bird is on record mentioning we won't be able to go after Dwight Howard types C) Bird interviews with Orlando D) Bird abruptly leaves citing health among other reasons. It's a matter of connecting the dots. I'm not sure what it is one way or another (it could be purely all health and a change of scenery), but living under a rock and pretending to only believe in what you're told sounds awfully naive. There are plenty things as fans that we are simply not told because we don't have to be. Only looking at what is black and white, is way too simplistic of an approach for me.
Pacers have never not spent on a player Bird wanted.
Literally everyone who is reporting or involved in the situation says that payroll is not the issue.
It's naive to believe what has been proven?
I say it's silly to look for conspiracies when there isn't any reason to.
And who else said Bird was in Orlando? All I got was this...
http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/06/2...anager.openingPrior to deciding on Rob Hennigan, the Orlando Magic met with Larry Bird about their open general manager position. The report states that Magic brass were in "high pursuit" of the current Pacers executive. Bird has still not met with Pacers owner Herb Simon to decide on their working relationship for next season.
As a caveat, WKMG Local 6 in Orlando is very controversial site among NBA news and rumors aficionados. The site has been known to report false and ridiculous information involving the Magic. However, the site did break a huge story in early April reporting that Dwight Howard tried to get Stan Van Gundy fired. That led to the infamous dust-up between the two just days later, where Stan Van Gundy admitted to the report.
The Pacers never really had cap space until this past year and presently. Sure, they spent on David West, but that was just to get us to the salary cap floor. I don't think it's fair to use past history on that one, when the biggest free agent splurges we made prior to that under Bird's reign were Sarunas and Dahntay Jones. I think Simon has proven he will spend a considerable amount, but maybe not at the extent Bird was hoping for.
I'm not sure it's been proven at all. I'm willing to leave that door open instead of immediately assuming and closing doors. No one has directly said one way or another whether money currently isn't an issue, as even Bird skipped around the issue a bit today. Mike Wells doesn't know. We just don't know. I'm leaving open the possibility, but not really taking a stance one way or the other except that is is a legitimate question.
There are links to Kravitz in Star. And DD, JMV and Grady have said the same for the past two days on 1070.
Not to mention, a page back Well says what Bird said, LB may come back after he takes care of his health.
Why would Bird come back if payroll is the issue, not his health?
Kravitz wrote it isn't payroll.
Big Joe and Grady said yesterday that they heard nothing about it being payroll and reiterated it after speaking with Wells.
JMV and DD both said that LB left because of his back, not payroll.
How much more definitive can they be??
He doesn't have to say he might be back in a year to leave a door open. Talk about making things black and white.Again, why would Bird close a door, when he doesn't have to?
LB did more than just not burn any bridges.
I will only point out that whatever Kravitz said, the opposite is probably true. No one is going to say that was the cause. Didn't Bird make it clear that he wanted to have a meeting with Simon and find out how much Simon was willing to spend before signing up for more? I think that is exactly what happened and Bird didn't like what he heard and exited stage left.......
Didn't Bird say, after the season ended, that he wanted to come back or did he just say he loves his job? I know that Larry has always considered stepping aside after each season but it just seemed like all indications pointed towards Bird coming back.
I don't believe that Simon pushed Bird out. At first, I didn't know what to think. If Simon wanted to just get rid of Larry I don't think he would have let David go and replace him with KP, Bird's guy.
The Pacers have two of the best you can ask for in your front office in Donnie Walsh and Kevin Pritchard. We know the strengths and weaknesses of those two, especially Donnie. I think Donnie learned his lesson on the importance of team culture and I think Kevin learned him mistakes he made in Portland. However, I still don't like Donnie's history of overpaying for his own players. This really worries me with two key free agents in George Hill and Roy Hibbert. Even if the Pacers don't use the cap space on other free agents I am really hoping that they are able, and Hibbert and/or Hill allow them, to front load their contracts. KP did this with Paul Milsap when he signed him to an offer-sheet that Utah matched.
I don't think it was just about Bird's health. The way Larry talked in the press conference today him leaving the Pacers is not retirement. He is simply taking a break for a year. I don't think it makes sense that he comes back in a year or two as team president to take Donnie's spot, again. I was hoping it might be in an ownership role but it doesn't sound like Bird has much interest in that when he was asked that today. Something doesn't make sense here but I am not for sure what it is. I don't believe that it is about Simon's unwillingness to spend money. I think he is. Maybe Bird really wanted to go after Eric Gordon, the one star free agent who the Pacers probably have a legit shot at, but Simon wouldn't budge on his rule to stay away from other team's restricted free agents or maybe Bird really believes in change and saw this as the perfect time to step away.
I am disappointed to see Bird go. I love what he did with this team and I appreciate the way he sees the game of basketball. It is a sad day in Pacers basketball to see him go. However, the Pacers can do much worse than having Donnie Walsh as team president and Kevin Pritchard as general manager.