If Simon doesn't want to spend to win why does Pritchard or Walsh want to be here?
Perhaps Simon is just tired of losing money and is content to have a respectable team that can go into the playoffs and make a small profit. The team may eventually be sold upon his death if his kids are not big fans. In other words Simon is winding down his ownership of the team. Winning championships may not be a big thing to a guy in his 80s. This is where Simon and Bird are not on the same page. Donnie is very good at maintaining the status quo and KP probably just wants any position.
Whatever Simon does or doesn't do he can't be faulted as an owner. He could have bailed on this team many times.
I think the answer to Walsh is obvious. He still considers Indy to be his home and this is the franchise he loves. He can work a few years here in the place he made a name for himself before calling it quits for good.
Good point though about Pritchard.
I just think that the Simon's not being willing to spend is more likely the reason than Bird's health, given what Bird said a month ago. That's just a pure guess though.
Refresh my memory, but a few weeks ago didn't Herb say something like he wanted to see what Bird had planned for the next 3 years. If so, maybe Herb didn't like what Bird proposed to him. Thus an impass between the two.
That's a different argument. The issue was whether the Pacers front office would be willing to go after a star free agent.
One thing's for sure, tomorrow's press conference will go a long way towards letting us know if we can consider the team a potentially intriguing free agent destination or a situation players want to stay far away from. If it's the latter we better get some quality in this draft.
And Wells and Kravitz have both said this is not a payroll issue.The word “retired” is not being used with Bird. He may take a year off so that he can tend to some back and shoulder problems, then decide if he wants return to a front office, according to a source.
Simon may not want to spend, but I'm not going to look at it that way without proof.
No one actually knows Simon's budget except Simon and even he or any other owner in this league can't just freely spend like they could've before the new CBA.
We aren't a rebuilding lottery bound team like some are making it seem. We're a team in contention as we were 5th best in the league. I trust Simon and the FO to continue to make us more of a legitimate contender.
Bird could've wanted to use $$$ to bring in another significant outside piece or two, ownership may just want to retain our own and be done with it.
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Good riddance, Green Guy.
I didn't expect this, and concede that Bird has earned the right to make whatever decision he wants because he showed the necessary patience and slowly rebuilt this team, but I won't miss him. I still blame him more than I blame Walsh for the problems - not trading Artest as soon as he arrived (Brent Barry would not have destroyed the team, for example).
I assume Pritchard is going to be The Man and Walsh will be in a consulting role, so I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about Walsh's return.
Tomorrow's press conference will be interesting... hope I can make time to watch or listen.
Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you
I'd just like to say this: Sometimes there is no writing between the lines. (I hope) Perhaps Larry is just leaving because his back is bothering him and perhaps he'll make a triumphal return next year. Perhaps Herbie is giving (insert big-ticket FA target here) $100 bills to light his cigars with . Perhaps Donnie has learned his lesson/Perhaps Donnie will be willing to take a backseat to KPritch. Perhaps that last one isn't so likely. But I'd still like to hope for the best, not that Donnie will trade everyone on the team for Troy Murphy again, who will be cut by Simon because he costs too much, followed by the Pacers becoming the Seattle Supersonics Mark II. Sorry for the rant, but I'm nervous about this FO situation.
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I don't think it came down to money.... I think it came down to how the money would be spent. Somebody wanted to aggressively build on this past season and somebody probably wanted to patiently see where the team could go with internal growth.
I suspect Simon wanted to take the patient approach, I suspect Bird wanted to be less loyal and more aggressive. Probably going after FA or RFA's. Maybe trade someone considered an important part of the current team. Meanwhile, Walsh would be the exact opposite of that- An old pal in the front office that would hold the current team together, not make waves with RFA's, and spend the money on our own guys. That's also a recipe for peaking the team, stagnation, regression, and contract hell. Of course if you swing for the fences in FA you can derail things too. But if you aren't overly loyal you can reposition yourself with trades and fix things too.
I'd prefer it be the other way around but why go out and get Walsh if you're wanting someone in the front office to be more aggressive? Why handcuff the FO with RFA rules that other teams don't play by? So my thinking is Bird had plans to try and fast track the team to the next level. Simon preferred the old comfortable shoe approach.
Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
What are the chances that Bird announces this tentatively as a one year hiatus to have his back surgery and rehab? Walsh as the interim President?
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
I go back to my theory that Bird's goal was to build the best Team that he can put together while Granger was still on board ( hence the 2 year contract offers to West and JCraw...who turned it down ) until the 2013-2014 season. This would likely mean "winning as much as we can over the next 2 seasons" and likely spending $$$ to getting the best Players to fill the weaknesses that Bird saw this season instead of developing from within and patiently waiting for the tree to bear some fruit.
Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
fired? and no more chances?
I was thinking more along the lines of being taken by the scruff of his collar up to the top of BLFH and give him a running start off the edge of the precipice ... LOL
"They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos
bball in response to your idea that Simon wanted a slow approach. I don't buy that. Pritchard is not a guy you want running your franchise if you want a slow approach. OK, you say well Walsh is running the franchise - well, we don't know that yet, we'll see. Plus how do I put this nicely. Herb is getting old. He's 77 years old, he doesn't have much longer to enjoy this and to get a championship. So I don't believe he wants a slow approach. He should be in all out win now mode.
Honestly, I really believe Bird's decision to leave is 95% based on his health. Plus he's now been doing this for 9 years, he almost left after the last couple of years and he's often said that he will leave once the franchise is turned around.
We can come up with theory after theory, but most of the time the most obvious answer is the right answer
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