People get fat and happy.
Their egos grow.
They forget where they came from and the hard work they put in to get where they are at.
They forget how hard people nipping at their heels are working.
They get tired of doing the little things.
Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
i fear the same thing.
right now there is alot of speacalation and assuption. not sure who has the final veto on draft, trades,etc.
which is the same reason walsh bird combo nvr worked imo.
i like pritchard as gm. walsh should only be a consultant. but thats not gonna happen.
alot of respect for donnie walsh. just liked the direction this team was going with Bird.
at the end of the day i think Legend made it clear. he would only come back if this team was willing to spend to compete for championships. this is probably financial. and health for Bird prob played a factor as well.
nash was the guy i wanted to see the pacers go for. Legend gives you a chance to bring that here. i dont see it under dw.
It will be intersting to hear what the presser has to say tomorrow, but I don't see Walsh coming back to be the #2 man in the FO. It's hard to be someone else's subordinate when you have been the #1 for 20 plus years.
We'll see tomorrow, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if the chain of command isn't discussed in the presser. Basically, Bird is stepping down with health issues, and Walsh coming back to smooth out Bird's departure. Blah blah blah.
Something just hit me. How could Simon be the reason Bird is leaving? They have not had their meeting yet.
Or have they had their meeting?
Wait, what if Morway leaked?
I assume anyone with the team would not want this information out right before the draft.
I guess Wells could be wrong. But if he is wrong about that...
It really does figure being a pacer fan I guess things were going to well for us. I don't really mind who stays and who goes. What I do mind is that days before one of the most pivotal offseasons the pacers have had, our front office becomes an episode of game of thrones and this crazy who is running the show sort of chaos is taking place.
Bird's pondered resignation/retirement for a while so I can't imagine anything happened between he and Simon.
Simon came out last year and flat out said he's open to spending. He often stays out of the spotlight and allows the FO to do what they need to do.
We've gotten this far to finish the 5th best team in the league so I trust Simon and the FO to continue to do the right things to make us even more of a contender.
Last edited by Trophy; 06-26-2012 at 08:13 PM.
Im not saying this is true but my take on it is Donnie is well respected around the leagues front office people, and maybe the whole negoting cntracts , salary cap stuff is not KP's strength
I think ths will work much better than intially perceived. Donnie has a wealth of experience, and yes he made mistakes but
He is the only GM/Pres in the history of the franchise to guide us to the NBA Finals
Anyone remember the Mark Jackson trade or Jalen Rose , then turning Jalen to Artest and B Miller
I think this has been in the plans for awhile and always thought Bird wanted to groom KP for this as soon as he was let go by Portland and brought on by Pacers
PLus it was said Pritchard made it a "point to break bread often with staff and Walsh alike last year"
I think KP learned something when he was let go by Portland, and I think he can learn something from Walsh
Just my 2 cents
Sittin on top of the world!
Look its pretty obvious by now, Simon has no interested in signing a big name FA or going after a RFA that would push the payroll above cap once we sign our existing players. To Bird that means that the daily grind of running this organization is not worth it considering the terrible condition of his back. Terrible situation, I think we definitely have an ownership problem. I understand, losing upwards of 20 million a year during some of the past 10 years is bad. But if you aren't striving to get better, then you will eventually get worse and worse.
They will mask this was purely a medical issue for Bird, but seeing a rejuvenated Bird just a month ago I don't buy it. Bird knows what it takes to win a championship, Herb isn't willing to spend it. Bird isn't willing to settle.
Last edited by graphic-er; 06-26-2012 at 08:28 PM.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
How can u say that brah ? He gave JO 6 years and 120M or so. Gave (God bless him) Austin freakin Crosher 55M. Tinsley. Artest, Bender, the list goes on and on.
I think some people got it twisted , Simon doesn't want to spend money to stay average, but if it was a player he really loved or thought was the missing piece, he's proven he will shell out the money
Sittin on top of the world!
^ those are players he retained, mostly at above market value. Not free agents he acquired because he "thought he was the missing piece."
You know this is the second time in all of my years following the Pacers under Simon that I have had this thought. Brad Miller was the first time & now this.
I'm not saying I'm on board with this line of thinking, yet. But I am now once again put into a position where I have to question it.
If this is truely health related that is one thing but if this is really about money then.... well I don't know what then as I have little to no choice.
"I like our group of people," Ainge told USA Today. "I'm trying to teach them about basketball, and they're trying to teach me about analytics."