"Did we learn anything?"-Jonathan Ames
"No, but thats okay, It's a good thing to stay in the dark about things - it keeps life more interesting."- George Christopher
The trade was made by both guys, the "D Walsh made the trade and Larry didn't have anything to do with that" is a huge myth.
Edit: and even if he didn't have anything to do with the trade, he would have try to move those guys but then we get into the other "nobody can't trade crap players" myth.
Last edited by vnzla81; 06-26-2012 at 03:48 PM.
Believe me I haven't forgotten Bird's mistakes, but you have to give Bird credit when credit is due too. Even I am in the Bird camp about how this situation is working out. It's not so much that I truly mind Bird leaving it's when it's ending, how it's ending, and the return of Walsh that is just frustrating the carp out of me.
well one thing is official...
The Indiana Pacers announced Tuesday that David Morway has resigned as General Manager of the franchise. per pacers
Carmel HS Class of 2011
Press conference tomorrow at 11.
Although we all saw this coming with Morway, coupled with everything else going on this all just feels so bizarre.
It feels like the end when last season's success should of started the beginning.
I really don't view this as the end, at all. Walsh and Pritchard are very capable of continuing this team's success. I'll even go out on a limb and say that maybe they are willing to move and shake enough to get the team to the next level.
I'm just going to hope that everything is for the best
Me too. I love Larry, but I think he may have been loyal to some of our guys to a fault. Not that it has really hurt the team up until now, but it has the potential to be harmful in the future if the time really comes to trade someone like Granger while his value is still high.
Let's just hope Donnie got all of his whiffs (Bender, Shawne) out of his system the last go-around. Similarly aggressive moves, though, might be the ticket for this team as it is currently configured.
Bird is definitely going to be missed but Walsh and KP have a great track record.
Walsh is a great basketball mind. He cleaned up the mess in NY...both guys are also great scouts
"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
Applying Occam's Razor, I get Donnie in charge with KP doing the basketball related stuff. basically KP's the idea guy and Donnie makes the final OK's. That sounds like a good plan. Both these guys are as smart as they come about NBA stuff. It uses their strengths. Donnie's old school. good on the phone. can make a deal. knows good players when he sees them. all that stuff. KP is new school. SABR [sp?] stuff, advanced stats. all the computer stuff. has his own value scale for players.
It is easy to see a way they can use their strengths together.
FWIW, I want Donnie involved in the drafting instead of Larry. Larry tends to draft 'NBA ready' players that fill a need. Donnie tends to draft 'talent'. I like drafting for talent and trading for need myself.
I was never a fan of Bird the player but I always rushed to defend him on this one because I think there was a lot of hints of subtle racism hurled towards Bird for something that he had nothing to do with. A lot of people & I mean a lot of people assumed that Bird did the move because he wanted more white players and that is just blatantly unfair when it was never true to begin with.
I totally agree and KP is amazing working the phones I think by next year this time the roster will be really different hopefully in a good way. That was my gripe with Bird he said Granger was untouchable and IMO no one is untouchable except maybe the top 5-10 players in the NBA(hell even they get traded sometimes).
I just hope Simon isnt the reason Bird left and being able to spend in free agency on top talent al Steve Nash. If that is the reason I doubt we ever truly contend with this core unless KP can get very lucky in trades and hitting home runs late in the draft.
Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-26-2012 at 04:49 PM.
Not saying it was bad, in fact part of me thinks Pritchard might make that aggressive moves that gets us to the next level.
I'm saying major front office changes usually happens when the team is heading in the wrong direction, not after the most successful season in years.
I definitely wanted Bird to stick around, but I would be fine with this if it were just Pritchard taking over. It's the Walsh addition that bums me out. Why is this necessary? We just got finished cleaning up the mess that Walsh's post-2000 moves left us in, but now we're bringing him back?
got the carp
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!)
Also, I'm pretty sure Bird traded a "crap" player in Murphy for a young PG.
Also, we can debate all day as to who had more power when Bird and Walsh were together from 03-08. But what cannot be debated is that this team has drastically improved since Walsh left and Bird gained complete control.
So even if you can pin some of the stuff from 03-08 on Bird, you are immediately trumped by the fact that the team has drastically improved over the past 4 years.