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    How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

    There is a lot of talk about Eric Gordon and the potential that he would eventually end up in Indiana. While I have a moment, I wanted to comment some about that. If some of this has been discussed in the myriad of other threads about this topic, I apologize.

    First of all, let me break some news:

    Eric Gordon told me HIMSELF (last summer, prior to his trade to New Orleans) that he wanted to play in Indiana somehow and become a Pacer,because he felt like his brother Eron needed him to be around as he entered high school. Eric doesn’t know me personally or anything, and he doesn’t know anything about me being a big Pacers fan or anything, he just casually told me this as we were both watching his brother play in a local AAU tournament.Gordon had no reason to lie, and I judge his comment to be both sincere and truthful….he truly does want to be here so he can watch over his younger brother’s career and be close to his family.

    So, now he is a restricted free agent, so he has some limited power to try and make that happen. But he is coming off an injury, and his future team has a long term policy set by ownership of not going after restricted free agents. Plus, as an RFA, his current team in New Orleans can match an offer no matter if he wants them to or not, and they appear to have the money to do so.

    As an aside, I wonder why their new owner (the NFL Saints owner Tom Benson) would pay big moneyt o Gordon but not to Drew Brees…….I mean, Brees has saved football in the cityand led them to a Super Bowl win, andGordon has no such ties to the city, but I digress…….

    So, we appear for the moment to be stalemated by circumstances in New Orleans and with our own need to re-sign Roy Hibbert. It appears as if getting Gordon here will be difficult.

    BUT, if Gordon wants to come to Indiana enough, we can make it happen , and here is how:
    1. He can accept his one year tender and stay with New Orleans in 2012-2013.

    2. If you do that, then, New Orleans will either have to let you play the year out and become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2013, or look to deal you during the season.

    3. If you are not traded and stay in New Orleans,have a great year and increase your marketability and leverage next season,plus it gives Indiana time to get David West and others off the books.

    4. If New Orleans opts to put you on the trading block, you can refuse any trade just about to anyone but Indiana, since teams already will know from your agent that you won’t sign an extension with them prior to the trade.

    5. And if you are traded anyway to a team for a rental, likely it is a team making a deep playoff run for the short term, and you likely will hurt them in the long run anyway by taking their long term assets away from them for a futile playoff run.

    It actually is pretty simple. The problem is, for this to work Gordon will need to sacrifice a few million dollars this season, and some long term security in case you get hurt again. Ishe willing to do that?

    For Indiana, the future is simple in this case. You sign Eric Gordon, a young potential superstar who wantst o play here, and don’t think twice about what it costs….but not THIS summer, instead do it like I described in the summer of 2013.

    Then you slot Gordon into the salary slot of West and Jones, and move on.
    You also would have to get creative with your roster to get your best players on the floor, and here is how I would do it for the season of 2013-2014:
    PG Assuming you sign Hill reasonably this summer, or otherwise go with Collison and let Hill go.

    SG Eric Gordon
    SF Paul George
    PF Danny Granger
    C Roy Hibbert
    Your bench is Hansbrough, plus whoever you draft this year and next, plus whatever other cheaper veteran guys you can accumulate.

    Yes, I see Granger going forwardas our short term answer to replace David West, going with a smaller, more agile lineup, plus mitigating Granger’s lack of speed going forward by playing him around 20-24 minutes per game at the PF spot in 2013-2014.

    Then, in the summer of 2014, you can use Granger’s money to help pay Paul George, plus try and add a more traditional power forward if you haven’t drafted one yet to play his spot.

    Thinking 3 steps ahead is what NBA general managers and executives are paid to do…..anybody else think Indiana is already on top of this exact scenario, or something similar?

    For you fans of Eric Gordon like I am, I think we will see Eric as a Pacer, but not until July 2013…..we will see if I end up being right.
    Tbird
    Last edited by thunderbird1245; 06-24-2012, 04:28 PM.
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    Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

    I really doubt that Gordon will take a hometown discount to play in Indiana. I fully believe you that he likes Indiana and would possibly even prefer playing here, as I travel to Indiana somewhat frequently and have seen him at the airport a few times. But that's just it, with modern technology and Eric's ability to afford to fly first class to Indy from anywhere in the country anytime he wants, there is no reason for him to feel like he has to be here. He can live in Indy in the offseason (hell, he may do this already) and even if he played for the Pacers he'd be on the road most of the time during the season anyway. I think Eric will come to realize, if he hasn't already, that he is in the position where he can make the best business decision for himself in terms of money and still be in frequent contact with his family. At least if I was his agent, I would be stressing that.

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      Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

      Not really shocking I was told prior to his break out season with the Clipps he was gonna be a pacer or Bull by his mom. Everyone said i was full of **** then but w/e He will be a Pacer eventually just think he will sign a Max deal with NO then after that deal he would come here. But I was told he would be a Pacer by this summer I just hope some how that happens but realistically I don't see it NO isn't gonna let him gI

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        Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

        Eric wants to get paid first and foremost. In a perfect world, that would be in Indy. Yes, he wants to come to the Pacers and his family wants him back here if at all possible. But he's not about to leave money on the table to do so. New Orleans is also not about to allow him to walk without compensation. Besides, he has a pretty aggressive agent (Rob Pelinka) who also represents Kobe, Durant, etc. and will seek out the best deal for Gordon. I could see a few scenarios playing out:

        -- A team like Houston or Toronto comes out and offers him some insane deal with a poison pill provision forcing the Hornets to match or pass
        -- Gordon plays out this year under a qualifying deal and becomes an UFA next summer
        -- Hornets work out a sign-and-trade of some sorts and deal Gordon for picks, young players, etc.
        -- Hornets offer Gordon something like a 5 year/60 million dollar deal or something crazy (see scenario 1)

        Here's a question: If the Hornets called Bird and said hey, we'll offer you a resigned Gordon for a package of Paul George along with DC and/or the Pacers #1 pick, do you say yes?

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          Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

          Originally posted by Smoothdave1 View Post
          Eric wants to get paid first and foremost. In a perfect world, that would be in Indy. Yes, he wants to come to the Pacers and his family wants him back here if at all possible. But he's not about to leave money on the table to do so. New Orleans is also not about to allow him to walk without compensation. Besides, he has a pretty aggressive agent (Rob Pelinka) who also represents Kobe, Durant, etc. and will seek out the best deal for Gordon. I could see a few scenarios playing out:

          -- A team like Houston or Toronto comes out and offers him some insane deal with a poison pill provision forcing the Hornets to match or pass
          -- Gordon plays out this year under a qualifying deal and becomes an UFA next summer
          -- Hornets work out a sign-and-trade of some sorts and deal Gordon for picks, young players, etc.
          -- Hornets offer Gordon something like a 5 year/60 million dollar deal or something crazy (see scenario 1)

          Here's a question: If the Hornets called Bird and said hey, we'll offer you a resigned Gordon for a package of Paul George along with DC and/or the Pacers #1 pick, do you say yes?

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            Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

            Originally posted by Smoothdave1 View Post
            Here's a question: If the Hornets called Bird and said hey, we'll offer you a resigned Gordon for a package of Paul George along with DC and/or the Pacers #1 pick, do you say yes?
            If you have read the latest EG poll you will see that some of us don't want him, unless he come's real cheap, because of his injury history. Time is the only convincer for us!

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              Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

              Originally posted by Smoothdave1 View Post

              Here's a question: If the Hornets called Bird and said hey, we'll offer you a resigned Gordon for a package of Paul George along with DC and/or the Pacers #1 pick, do you say yes?
              I'm not big on Gordon. If I was Bird, I'd say HELL NO!!! Then I'd offer DC, AND ask for their 10th pick...That's how much value Gordon (or any player, for that matter) with a continual injury-bug is worth to me.

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                Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                Great write-up, Tbird. I agree with most, if not all, of what you said.

                However, sorry, but Paul has more upside than EJ at this point, simply due to their age/experience difference, and respective levels of potential. I'm a megafanboy when it comes to Paul George, and I would rather keep him around than bring EJ in to replace him. We have already a pseudo-Gordon right now in Hill, who can play the 2 if Paul switches to the 3 (wherein Granger is traded for a better asset, due to not being vital any longer). That's why we need a point guard who can facilitate. Hill can swich over to the 2, where's more comfortable, and Paul can match up people his own size (not necessary, per se, but doable in the right scenario).

                I'm not trying to get Granger out of Indy, but he's kind of losing his luster. And if Bird is just holding onto him because he "endured the bad times with us", then that's kind of pathetic. I know Bird wants to have a team that's built, not bought, but trading is part of building. And if Granger leaving can get us decent assets (in a perfect world), then there's no reason why we shouldn't do it. Maybe Danny wants to play in his home of New Orleans. Maybe he wants to go to a team where his playing style will be more appreciated (what's a team that likes handleless forwards who shoot first and pass later?). Maybe he wants to stick around, where the security of his job is intact. I don't know. I digress...

                I, like many others here, would like to see EJ in the blue and gold, sooner rather than later. However, I don't want it to happen until he's proven to be back in shape, playing through injuries (or not having them), and scoring relentlessly, like the EJ we know. If he remains healthy, he's a way better first option than Granger, and that will leave Paul to come into his own at the 3. Even Hill can start at PG in this scenario (pending a lack of another point guard pickup).

                However, above all, I would much rather just get a point guard who can produce and facilitate (Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Kendall Marshall, Tyshawn Taylor?, etc.), a backup true PF/C who is taller, more skilled, and more athletic than Hansbrough (examples include Earl Clark, Brandon Bass, Perry Jones III, Arnett Moultrie?, Andrew Nicholson?, etc.), and an empty-the-clip scorer off the bench (Austin Rivers, Jamal Crawford, Orlando Johnson, etc.). Those three spots are much more important than getting a new starting SG, in my opinion.
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                  Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                  Originally posted by thunderbird1245 View Post
                  It actually is pretty simple. The problem is, for this to work Gordon will need to sacrifice a few million dollars this season, and some long term security in case you get hurt again. Ishe willing to do that?
                  What if the Pacers offer him a 1 year contract for as much as they can under the CBA? If the Hornets match that, wouldn't he be an unrestricted free agent the following year? It seems like that might be a solution to keep him from sacrificing money this season but still allow him to come here the next season.

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                    Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                    i think that the easiest and most likely route is that EJ will take a RFA contract with the Hornets and have a Player option after his 3rd season where he can opt out to be UFA. I don't see an injured plagued Player like EJ taking a Qualifying offer and risk a short 1 year contract. It would make more sense to take a long term contract and then opt out after getting paid.
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                    • #11
                      Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                      Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                      What if the Pacers offer him a 1 year contract for as much as they can under the CBA? If the Hornets match that, wouldn't he be an unrestricted free agent the following year? It seems like that might be a solution to keep him from sacrificing money this season but still allow him to come here the next season.
                      I didn't know this before looking, but an offer sheet must be for at least 2 seasons. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q43

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                        Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                        Holy ****.

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                          Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                          To me , this lingering possibility (annoyingly so) strengthens the conjecture that we're going to improve our front court, either through a draft selection or through a trade. We then will try to improve at other positions (be it Gordon or whomever) through free agency.


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                            Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                            Thanks for the info. I know most here won't like the idea of Granger at the 4, but I think in today's NBA it could work well. They sure would be more exciting to watch offensively, and we'd probably be a better defensive team as well. Of course, this is assuming Gordon can stay healthy. I understand the concerns of some folks here, but I'd be willing to take the risk because, well, it's not my money , I don't see any other potential superstars looking to play in Indiana, and it's my belief we're gonna need more talent to compete for a title.

                            Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                            Holy ****.
                            I can't figure out why the Gordon stuff bothers people here. I haven't heard about any of his injuries being chronic so what's the problem? Are you saying he doesn't have superstar talent and that we're just infatuated with him because of the IU ties? If that's the case... you're wrong.
                            Last edited by CJ Jones; 06-24-2012, 11:12 PM.

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                              Re: How Eric Gordon can realistically eventually become a Pacer: long term plan

                              Originally posted by Smoothdave1 View Post
                              Eric wants to get paid first and foremost. In a perfect world, that would be in Indy. Yes, he wants to come to the Pacers and his family wants him back here if at all possible. But he's not about to leave money on the table to do so.
                              I absolutely hate when people say stuff like this like they actually know the guy, and like every single player in the NBA only cares about money and nothing else. It is so ridiculously untrue it is absurd that people think this. While yes there are players that only care about the money, I would venture to say the majority would take less money to play where they want and/or play for a championship.

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