Rome asks if the lottery is rigged. Stern's response:
Rome asks if the lottery is rigged. Stern's response:
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Stupid question gets a stupid response.
It may be a stupid question, but it is not entirely beyond the pale because a lot of people are thinking the lottery is fixed. Stern's response was ridiculous and will just fuel conspiracy theorists more and more.
"shame on you for asking."? Really?
So, you go onto a talk show, and are surprised when the host brings up what is likely the second hottest NBA discussion right now?
I don't know, I'm not the Stern fan that many seem to be. The guy is a BS politician, never following through on his comments/constantly passing the buck. (Oh, I've wanted to get rid of flopping for YEARS, the players association won't LET ME...Oh, I've thought they should eliminate basket interference for YEARS, but so and so voted me DOWN!)
If you can't handle a question, especially in the way it was asked, then get the hell out of here. He wasn't being accusatory, he in fact said it with a sound of annoyance (As usual, the conspiracy theories are rolling...). Stern completely overreacted.
And for the record, I can't stand Rome.
is it really that hard to at least NOT do it behind a locked door?
To those who suggest, well you never know it might be fixed. Are you also suggesting a respected company such as Ernst & Young is in on it or at least willing to put their reputation on the line by "looking the other way" Why? what do they possibly have to gain by looking the other way. (how much could the NBA be paying them) They have been certifying this for years, if they felt there was any possibility of it being fixed, they could have just said, no thank you and walked away years ago.
Last edited by Unclebuck; 06-13-2012 at 03:27 PM.
i thought i made it clear. i want them to NOT do it behind closed doors.
They should just do away with the lottery. Sort of like with kids, if they aren't going to play nice, then fine you aren't going to play at all. Just cancel the whole thing.
I agree with shags.
The countdown backwards is the reason to watch, waiting for a break in the odds pattern.
Maybe show the balls and rep reactions after?
Really, though, Ernst & Young is an accounting firm, not a gambling arbitrator. They are only certifying the results (and, at that, only that the results delivered in the envelopes match the results that were obtained in the locked room). They aren't certifying anything at all about the fairness of the method used (there are no Generally Accepted Accounting Practices for Lotteries).
Last edited by BillS; 06-13-2012 at 03:48 PM.
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For the record, I do not think the lottery is fixed, and I agree it's silly to think so.
However it is not "stupid" to ask for transparent business practices. Cheating in pro sports absolutely DOES happen, sometimes on a systemic level. There are good reasons for people to be generally skeptical about what sports leagues tell them. Here are just a few recent sports-related scandals that bring into question the integrity of certain pro sports:
- Patriots spying on other teams
- New Orleans Saints paying players to injure players from other teams
- Tim Donaghy betting on games he officiated, possibly fixing some of them
- An entire generation of MLB players taking steroids and inflating their numbers
Organizations lie and cheat, including sports organizations. It's just a fact of life. Cheating is as old as sports, including on the league / institutional level. Yes fans come up with crazy conspiracy theories all the time, the vast majority of which are completely bogus and without merit. But the way to silence these people is not to just call their ideas "stupid" or to be offended at questions - instead you silence them by being TRANSPARENT about your operations.
Why on earth do they draw the balls in a locked room? So what if the team reps are there - why not just do what Hicks suggested and pick the balls on live TV? It's good enough for Powerball, which is worth millions of dollars. Why doesn't the NBA just do it that way - pick the ball and show everyone the damn ball?
We are the NBA's customers, you know. I give a lot of my money to the NBA in one form or another every year (league pass, going to games, merchandise, watching ads on broadcasts etc). A little more transparency is not too much to ask when it comes to things like the draft lottery, player suspensions, referee reviews etc. Y'know?
EDIT: not trying to pick on UB, I understand your point...
Last edited by rabid; 06-13-2012 at 04:02 PM.
Mike Greenberg, has the best idea for the lottery, although it will never happen.
Take all teams out of the playoffs and have a playoff. Winner gets first pick and so on.
The teams closest get a legit shot to compete while the awful teams stay awful like they have throughout their existence
i think all none playoff teams should have the same chance at #1. Each team gets 1 ball. first ball drawn gets lowest pick. last drawn is highest. fun to watch and simple/fair.
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Arthur Anderson and Co. know a thing or two about not catching scandals.
For fairness sake I would certainly go for a rolling average over three years. I think it is much more fair. There is no way to do that for TV though. Then the Bulls don't get Rose, the Spurs don't get Duncan, Orlando doesn't get Shaq. And on and on. The Bobcats wouldn't have been guaranteed the top pick that way either, but NO certainly wouldn't have gotten him. In this case, I think NO actually deserved the pick because they were bad and played hard. And their three year average would have really skewed their pick upward. This at least allows for a quicker turnaround.
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I'm just saying the NBA could be a lot more transparent about a lot of things, and this is but one example. The way Stern reacted to Jim Rose does not help the problem.
Well, he's right about the idiots part. Just took a poor route to explain why....
I think it would have to be NBA TV because what other station would carry such a boring thing?
Nobody would watch, but it would satisfy the crazies I think.
When you say that the NBA has done "everything" in their power to show transparency, when the other side is saying they need to televise the whole thing, your central point has already been shown to be ********.
When you start arguing that it would be bad for TV ratings, you completely miss the point of what the draft lottery is supposed to do. It's not supposed for TV. What other league televises their draft selections? None? And yet they continue to grow. So whether or not the process is "good TV" doesn't mean squat. The process is to ensure fairness for it's teams, not to provide another form of entertainment for the fans.
But yeah, other than those two major points, he's right on target.