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  • #31
    Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

    drama....

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    • #32
      Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

      Originally posted by Swingman View Post
      Olblu claims to respond to posts that are silly or with no merit......why do I get the feeling he talks to himself a lot? lmao
      I should have said posts that are silly or with no merit in my opinion. That is all it is, my opinion and in this case, the opinion of every football expert in the country that I have read. If you see an article or a comment by one of them that thinks the Colts might win six games this year, I would appreciate a link to it. I read a lot and I have not seen one that was anything close to that........

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      • #33
        Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

        Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
        Please stay healthy Luck.
        I think that is important and a real worry with all new people around him and the offensive line is made up of young players and castoffs from other teams.... I could see him leading the league in sacks this year and that is not a recipe for good health........

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        • #34
          Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

          I haven't seen anyone that says we'll be good this year in the media but I also haven't seen anyone agree with you about the Colts being bad for 5 years. I haven't seen a single soul that agrees with you on the 5 year time frame. If you were only saying this year, then most people probably wouldn't think twice about it.

          That combined with you feeling the need to constantly repeat your opinion numerous times and acting like it's a foregone conclusion is what gets you labeled as a troll. Not every overly-optimistic thread needs a dose of overly-pessimistic.

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          • #35
            Olblu, stop it. You keep saying "every football expert in the country agrees with me..." well, I highly doubt you are right on luck. Most believe him to be the next coming of Peyton. But fake it till you make it right?

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            • #36
              Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

              Originally posted by travmil View Post
              I'm not peeing up a rope. I'm reminding him that there are people here who don't want to read the troll posts.
              No one cares that you're annoyed by him, other than you. If someone wants to quote him, they're going to quote him, regardless of your feelings about the situation.

              If that means you want to put 30 people on ignore because of it, then that's your right, but you're not going to stop other people from doing it.
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • #37
                Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                Being told not to quote OlBlu makes me want to quote every post of his just for the heck of it.

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                • #38
                  Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                  Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                  Olblu, stop it. You keep saying "every football expert in the country agrees with me..." well, I highly doubt you are right on luck. Most believe him to be the next coming of Peyton. But fake it till you make it right?
                  I didn't say anything about Luck. I reacted to people thinking this pitiful team could win six games next year with Luck or just about any QB. I have not seen any expert predict anything but the worst record in the NFL for the Colts next year. That is a long way from winning six games.I have seen people predict the second coming of Peyton and better many times over the years. Many of those QBs are out of the League now. I hope he is the star you think he is. But, in reality, I highly doubt it............

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                  • #39
                    Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                    Originally posted by Swingman View Post
                    I haven't seen anyone that says we'll be good this year in the media but I also haven't seen anyone agree with you about the Colts being bad for 5 years. I haven't seen a single soul that agrees with you on the 5 year time frame. If you were only saying this year, then most people probably wouldn't think twice about it.

                    That combined with you feeling the need to constantly repeat your opinion numerous times and acting like it's a foregone conclusion is what gets you labeled as a troll. Not every overly-optimistic thread needs a dose of overly-pessimistic.
                    I can appreciate that. I happen to think that when people dance out to lala land, you are doing them a service by pointing out that, in my opinion, they are wrong........

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      I didn't say anything about Luck. I reacted to people thinking this pitiful team could win six games next year with Luck or just about any QB. I have not seen any expert predict anything but the worst record in the NFL for the Colts next year. That is a long way from winning six games.I have seen people predict the second coming of Peyton and better many times over the years. Many of those QBs are out of the League now. I hope he is the star you think he is. But, in reality, I highly doubt it............
                      Wait a second so you are claiming you have never Said "luck is going to be a bust" in lesser terms of course...because you have, I can't think of anyone in the last 11 years that was considered the next Peyton...there have been some good QBs but no one has ever Said "he is just like Peyton" I think you have been talking to yourself a wee bit too much again...I have absolutely no idea how good the colts will be. They aren't Making the playoffs but I wouldnt say 4-5 wins is way out o the possibility.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                        I didn't say anything about Luck. I reacted to people thinking this pitiful team could win six games next year with Luck or just about any QB. I have not seen any expert predict anything but the worst record in the NFL for the Colts next year. That is a long way from winning six games.I have seen people predict the second coming of Peyton and better many times over the years. Many of those QBs are out of the League now. I hope he is the star you think he is. But, in reality, I highly doubt it............

                        1) I don't recall many QB's getting the hype that Luck has. You have to think there is a reason for that.

                        2) I seriously doubt that many of these "experts" picking us to do poorly watched all of the Colts games last year. They hear that we went 2-14 and cut Peyton Manning and automatically assume that we will be horrible. Hey, they may be right. But those of us who watched the games saw that the team was actually competing at the beginning of the season despite the fact that we had the worst QB's in the league in Collins and Painter. We could have won several more games at the beginning of the season had we had even mediocre QB play. Luck even as a rookie should be drastically better than either of those two bums and that alone will put us in a better position than last year. Also, we are playing a very easy home schedule.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                          Originally posted by travmil View Post
                          I'm just doing what I can to keep myself from reading the troll posts that's all. I don't care at all about anyone else's feeling on the matter.
                          If you don't care about anyone else's feelings, then no one is going to care about yours. Deep Thoughts.... with Jack Handy.

                          Trying to get an entire forum of thousands of posters to not quote a guy is like trying to herd cats.

                          Good luck with that endeavor. I'm getting almost as annoyed with the "stop quoting the troll" posts, as I am with the fool himself.
                          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                            Originally posted by cdash View Post
                            It's very nice that you haven't had to block anyone in eight years, but some of us lack your patience and ability to skim over things and utilize the ignore function liberally when necessary. He is the only person I have seen that people have requested not to quote, obviously because a significant amount of people have the troll on ignore. Do you really have to quote him to respond to him?

                            Do I really have to not quote him when I respond to him simply because some posters are whining?

                            Your opinion that he is annoying is no more important than me thinking he isn't. I'm not asking you to talk to him, but I myself have every right to. I'm abiding by normal message board etiquette, which is to quote a poster when I feel like responding to him. Like Kid Minneapolis said, people demanding that people not quote OlBlu is actually more annoying than anything OlBlu himself has said. Just because a couple of people find him annoying doesn't mean that the entire board has to ignore him and feel like they are walking on eggshells every time they feel like responding to one of his posts.

                            Hicks and the moderators have run this board for 9 years, so I'm pretty sure they know what constitutes a troll. Yet OlBlu has not been banned, so clearly they don't think he has crossed into troll territory.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                              Originally posted by travmil View Post
                              I'm just doing what I can to keep myself from reading the troll posts that's all.

                              No you're not. You're demanding that everyone see things the way you do and threatening that anyone who doesn't abide by your rules will go on your ignore list. "Just doing what you can" to keep yourself from reading the posts would be to place him on your ignore list and leave it at that. But what you're doing is saying that everyone has to see things the way you do and that your feelings are most important. Seriously, how hard is to gloss over a post once you see that he has been quoted?

                              The big irony here is that you making such a fuss about OlBlu draws far more attention to him than me quoting some random quote of his.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Luck hits field to rave reviews

                                OK I won't mention it again. I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm asking. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way or the posts asking for the troll to not be quoted wouldn't all be thanked multiple times. Everyone is free to do what they want, within the posted rules, when it comes to their use of this forum. I never said anyone wasn't, so please stop acting like I'm ordering everyone around and strong arming them to hold my opinion. That's not the case and it's insulting. But as I said, this is it, you won't hear it from me again.

                                I can't wait to see Luck in action under center. I'm completely stoked for training camp. Definitly going to make the trip up there this season.

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