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    Mike Wells just tweeted we're matching on Roy, sorry no link at work in a hurry
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    Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA
    The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

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    Mike Wells just tweeted we're matching on Roy, sorry no link at work in a hurry
    Excellent. Now I kind of hope it IS front loaded. If so, we'll be glad in 2014-16.

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    Looks like they will be in a group with Argentina, France, Tunesia, US, and Lithuania. They should be able to take Tunesia (I assume), and they beat Lithuania in the qualifier, though I bet Lithuania will be favored. Wonder if Sarunas is on the team still. I thought Argentina is very good, and I assume France has Parker and Batum? The game vs. the US will be a great experience, although a blowout I bet--but at least they will get national TV coverage...
    yep, this will be his 4th Olympics. Although he's not a core piece anymore.

    Tbh, I think Nigeria will get blown out by everyone except Tunisia. France and US obviously, but I think Argentina and Lithuania will be very tough for them too. It's nice to be good in the qualifiers, but qualifiers are kind of a crapshoot. Best Euro players have just finished their seasons a month go, their shape is very much in question, plus Nigeria was kind of a surprise. Everyone will be peaking and prepared.

    (That's why qualifiers suck; how are teams supposed to get their players to peak so early after the professional season, and secondly, how to maintain that peak until the end of the Olympics?)

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    Excellent. Now I kind of hope it IS front loaded. If so, we'll be glad in 2014-16.
    I just wish someone explained how front loading is possible under CBA.

    Giving a little (~6 mil) signing bonus before the first year - sure, you can do that. But that's a simple advance payment, it does not affect the cap or make the contract front loaded.

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    Here's what I don't understand. 4 years, $58 million is considered the "rookie max," right? But if you can offer a signing bonus on top of that which spreads over the life of the contract and counts against the salary cap, then 4 years, $58 million isn't really the maximum amount that a player can receive, is it?

    I guess the "contract" and the "bonus" are different things. But it's confusing.
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    No. A signing bonus is considered part of the contract, as well as any easy-to-achieve incentives. It all has to add up to the sum of the contract.

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    No. A signing bonus is considered part of the contract, as well as any easy-to-achieve incentives. It all has to add up to the sum of the contract.
    What I don't get is the difference between a Front-Loaded Contract and a contract that has a Signing Bonus then.

    Both count towards the Cap

    I mean...what's the difference between these two scenarios:

    Offer A ( is this even possible under the new CBA rules...as in the bolded part? )

    2012-2013 : $18 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )
    2013-2014 : $17 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )

    2014-2015 : $12 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )
    2015-2016 : $11 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )


    Offer B

    2012-2013 : $14 mil Salary + $4 mil in Signing Bonus = $18 mil in Total Salary owed in 2012-2013
    2013-2014 : $13 mil Salary + $4 mil in Signing Bonus = $17 mil in Total Salary owed in 2013-2014
    2014-2015 : $12 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )
    2015-2016 : $11 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )

    Looking at it this way.....the $ comes out to the same where both Options total $58 mil.

    The only thing that I can see that maybe the difference is that the actual Base Salary owed in the 1st year CANNOT exceed a certain # ( I think that someone said that it can't exceed $14 mil for the Base Salary itself for the 1st year )....which means that Option A is not even possible since the MAX Salary that can be offered is $14 mil...not $18 mil. If that is the case, then I can see how a Signing Bonus would be different then Frontloading some contract.

    Again, I am still confused.
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    What I don't get is the difference between a Front-Loaded Contract and a contract that has a Signing Bonus then.

    Both count towards the Cap

    I mean...what's the difference between these two scenarios:

    Offer A ( is this even possible under the new CBA rules...as in the bolded part? )

    2012-2013 : $18 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )
    2013-2014 : $17 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )

    2014-2015 : $12 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )
    2015-2016 : $11 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )


    Offer B

    2012-2013 : $14 mil Salary + $4 mil in Signing Bonus = $18 mil in Total Salary owed in 2012-2013
    2013-2014 : $13 mil Salary + $4 mil in Signing Bonus = $17 mil in Total Salary owed in 2013-2014
    2014-2015 : $12 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )
    2015-2016 : $11 mil Salary ( no signing Bonus )

    Looking at it this way.....the $ comes out to the same where both Options total $58 mil.

    The only thing that I can see that maybe the difference is that the actual Base Salary owed in the 1st year CANNOT exceed a certain # ( I think that someone said that it can't exceed $14 mil for the Base Salary itself for the 1st year )....which means that Option A is not even possible since the MAX Salary that can be offered is $14 mil...not $18 mil. If that is the case, then I can see how a Signing Bonus would be different then Frontloading some contract.

    Again, I am still confused.
    Those scenarios won't work like that. (A) cannot be done. A max contract cannot be front loaded. The first year has to be at 13.7 mil (in Roy's case).

    Regarding (B), the signing bonus will get paid before the first year (right now, after signing the contract), not over two years.
    But in the books, that bonus would be "spread out", a piece of it will count towards all 4 years. Also, salary bonus can't be that big (for Roy - under 6 mil).

    So the only difference with singing bonus is that Simon would have to open up his wallet this month and transfer up to $6 mil to Roy's bank account.
    But in terms of cap, his salary will look 13.7-14.3-14.9-15.5.

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    It sounds like the Magic, Nets and Cavaliers have found a fourth team to facilitate their potential blockbuster deal.

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    It sounds like the Magic, Nets and Cavaliers have found a fourth team to facilitate their potential blockbuster deal.
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    What exactly does this mean?:

    @daldridgetnt: Indy, per source, will give Hibbert the same terms that Portland was ready to give in offer sheet, & so won't technically "match" the sheet.

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    What exactly does this mean?:

    @daldridgetnt: Indy, per source, will give Hibbert the same terms that Portland was ready to give in offer sheet, & so won't technically "match" the sheet.
    Roy isn't going to sign the Blazers offer sheet. He is looking out for our best interest and giving us the opportunity to sign another FA.

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    It sounds like the Magic, Nets and Cavaliers have found a fourth team to facilitate their potential blockbuster deal.
    I'm sure its not the Pacers, but Marshon Brooks is exactly the get-your-own-shot kind of player they need, despite how he looked in summer league today.

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    What exactly does this mean?:

    @daldridgetnt: Indy, per source, will give Hibbert the same terms that Portland was ready to give in offer sheet, & so won't technically "match" the sheet.
    hmm maybe they are trying to win a bit more time.

    but it doesn't make much sense. as soon as there's a verbal agreement on terms, he counts towards the cap.

    i suppose there's some nuance that i can't think of.

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    hmm maybe they are trying to win a bit more time.

    but it doesn't make much sense. as soon as there's a verbal agreement, he counts towards the cap.

    i suppose there's some nuance that i can't think of.
    He counts toward the cap, yes, but only his initial rookie contract cap hold. We now have money to work with.

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    He counts toward the cap, yes, but only his initial rookie contract cap hold. We now have money to work with.
    no, his full salary. maybe that's been changed. i'll have to check a bit later.
    previously --> verbal agreement after the "moratorium" --> salary counts toward the cap

    *edit* here's from the Coon CBA faq:
    When determining team salaries (for example, to determine whether a team is over the salary cap), the following are included:
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    Salaries in contracts that have been agreed to but not yet executed (i.e., verbal agreements or agreements pending physicals). Note: During the July Moratorium (see question number 101), teams may not enter into verbal or written agreements. Therefore any agreements that are struck during the moratorium are still characterized as negotiations, and do not count as team salary.
    so you are right, this 'agreement' won't legally be considered an agreement (as long as they stay silent on the subject after the July 11th, I suppose). In that case, it won't affect the cap.
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    no, his full salary.
    Are you positive? That's not what Hollinger and Aldridge are reporting.

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    no, his full salary. maybe that's been changed. i'll have to check a bit later.
    previously --> verbal agreement after the "moratorium" --> salary counts toward the cap
    Yeah, it appears the verbal agreement now counts for nothing but a verbal agreement.

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    Roy isn't going to sign the Blazers offer sheet. He is looking out for our best interest and giving us the opportunity to sign another FA.
    So a pretty strong sign that they've got things in the works

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    So a pretty strong sign that they've got things in the works
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    So a pretty strong sign that they've got things in the works
    Looks like it when you couple it with letting AJ go.

    Of course, that probably means nothing happens.

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    So a pretty strong sign that they've got things in the works
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    So a pretty strong sign that they've got things in the works
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