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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Off season Rumors and Speculation

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  • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
    I haven't seen any1 here talk about Tony Wroten Jr. This kid looks really good IMO. If we stay at 26 I hope we draft him or Marquis Teague

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tony-Wroten-5250/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU9S1ADUCmg
    Agreed, completely. Of all the players currently being projected to be available at #26*, Wroten would be the swing-for-the-fences pick. His shooting stroke and maturity have been criticized, but everything else practically screams out, "Lottery pick!," -- size, athleticism, skill-level, and excellent production in a major conference, as a freshman, no less.

    If you go back to 2006 and read the pre-draft criticisms of Rajon Rondo, and why he slipped into the 20's (21), you'll see it's the exact same reason as to why Wroten's currently projects in the 20's/30's: Terrible shooting.

    Originally posted by Jonathan Givony, Draft Express
    Despite his highly intriguing physical attributes and skills, Rondo is anything but a surefire bet to pan out as a starting caliber NBA point guard.

    The biggest concern about his game revolves around his perimeter shooting ability. Much like with what we see with big men at the free throw line, Rondo’s massive hands prevent him from being comfortable in his shooting mechanics and show any consistency in his release. We saw his shooting mechanics change drastically all season long, and more often than not it looked like he was heaving a bowling ball at the basket both aesthetically and in terms of the end result. He only hit 18 3-pointers all season long and did it on a dreadful 27% accuracy from this range.

    These same problems prevent him from even being an average free throw shooter in college as well, hitting a pathetic 57% from the charity stripe. Rondo is better from mid-range, but is still far from being NBA caliber here too, particularly in terms of pulling up off the dribble. He would be well served to continue to work on adding a wider array of hesitation moves, crafty head and body fakes and other change of pace skills to help him become an even more effective slasher, as team’s will likely just back off him and dare him to shoot the 3.
    Originally posted by Joe Treutlein, Draft Express
    Wroten's bigger offensive problem projecting forward is likely his dreadful perimeter shooting ability, as he shot an atrocious 0.532 points per shot on jumpers according to Synergy, and an equally unimpressive 58% from the free-throw line and 18% from behind the three-point arc. As was the issue throughout his high school career, Wroten exhibits inconsistent mechanics and poor feel with his shot, never really showing sustained progress in this area of his game. He made just 3 of the 24 jumpers he attempted this season with his feet set, which makes it very difficult for him to play off the ball since the defense does not need to respect his shooting range. Wroten also has troubles with his mid-range game, not showing the ability to pull-up off the dribble consistently (6/27 this season) and being very erratic with floaters and runners in the lane.
    A comparison of their production from their final season of NCAA play; Wroten as a Freshman, Rondo as a sophomore:



    Measurably, Wroten's an even worse shooter than Rondo was coming into the NBA, but he's a total stud in every other measurable area, including getting to the line at an outstanding rate.

    Of course, as much as I'd like to see us select him, I doubt we would. My guess is he's viewed as being too similar to the Lance Stephenson Project for us to bother with him. I also doubt he'll be there at 26, despite what DX and NBADraft.net say. I think he's too promising to slip to far, and that a team in the teens will snatch him up.



    *As of this writing, DX has Wroten at 31, NBADraft.net has him at 32, and ESPN has him at #25.

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    • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

      Zeller? Meh.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        If we get #10 from the Hornets, than that Troy Murphy trade is even more lopsided than we thought originally.

        I know folks are thinking the trade up would he for Rivers, but my bet would be Zeller or Henson. I think the Pacers try to get bigger. Hibbert, West and Hansbrough are the main bigs, with Lou a free agent, as well as Fez I believe.

        Bird wants the best bench in the league, but i think the bench let us down a bit in the Miami series, so that's where I'll expect us to upgrade.
        If we pick Zeller at 10 I will literally through up
        Sittin on top of the world!

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        • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

          Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
          Of course, as much as I'd like to see us select him, I doubt we would. My guess is he's viewed as being too similar to the Lance Stephenson Project for us to bother with him.
          I wonder if Bird is so convinced that Stephenson will advance his game that he views him as a possible replacement for Collison, if DC is traded as speculated.

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          • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            Originally posted by Tom White View Post
            I wonder if Bird is so convinced that Stephenson will advance his game that he views him as a possible replacement for Collison, if DC is traded as speculated.
            Maybe, but I hope not. Not even re re re re re starting the debate on whether he can play point guard or not, but I'd like to see him prove he can be on the floor in a lesser role than back up point guard, regardless. I mean lesser in that I see the point as someone who has to run things, set tempo, get you into your offense, play smart. Thats not the responsiblity Lance needs at this point, imo.

            Now if you could go to the 2nd unit line up we all, mostly, liked before last season with George Hill and Lance as your backcourt, that sounds potentially pretty good.

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            • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

              The worst thing about us drafting Tyler Zeller would be the return of those hilarious, "Bird only drafts white guys!" comments. Asides from that, he'd be an excellent pick at #26, in my opinion.

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              • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                The worst thing about us drafting Tyler Zeller would be the return of those hilarious, "Bird only drafts white guys!" comments. Asides from that, he'd be an excellent pick at #26, in my opinion.
                26 pick I would be OK with although I might lean on signing Fez instead

                to pick Zeller at 10 is what I would have a serious problem with
                Sittin on top of the world!

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                • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                  I'm talking about Trading DC to move up so we can get Zeller, of course you are happy if Zeller drops to 26th but moving up to get him? Meh.
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    If we were able to trade into the Lottery, I would hope we would take a good long look at Terrance Ross from Washington. Very good athleticism, good shooting stroke, good defensive SG. I think he would be a great player to bring off the bench and then eventually slide into the 2/3 spot along with PG.

                    You can check out his draftexpress candidate profile below.


                    http://youtu.be/ZCFFaOc6rho

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                    • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                      Interesting...


                      Marc Stein
                      @ESPNSteinLine 1m Follow
                      Confirming what @DraftExpress just tweeted: Wiz have agreed to trade Rashard Lewis and 2012 second-rounder for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza

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                      • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                        That's a hell of a salary dump.

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                        • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          Originally posted by Smits Happens View Post
                          Interesting...


                          Marc Stein
                          @ESPNSteinLine 1m Follow
                          Confirming what @DraftExpress just tweeted: Wiz have agreed to trade Rashard Lewis and 2012 second-rounder for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza

                          they need the cap to absorb grangers contract

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                          • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            bradley beal will be a wizard now..

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                            • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              Do the Wiz now have Okafor and Nene?

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                              • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                An Okafor/Nene frontcourt is overpaid as hell, but it looks pretty good on paper.

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