"Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."
$15m for 9 guys isn't a heck of a lot either. Especially when of those guys will have to be paid a starting C's salary. As we saw this summer, big men get paid.
The problem isn't Perkins. The problem is that the combination of the 4 players (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka) make too much, that it's difficult to imagine a feasible roster fitting under the tax. Or even the tax + apron.
Honestly, the real question to me is why OKC chose Ibaka over Harden. Because that's what it's looking like right now. Of course, OKC may be planning to trade Ibaka down the road - that should allow them to keep Harden. Still not easy, but would be a lot more feasible.
no, he's not manu ginobli. harden is a scorer. but he's not the shooting threat ginobli is. he's not the big moment guy ginobli is. and he doesn't have the court vision/BBIQ. ginobli has whatever magic johnson/larry bird had. That ability to play 5 seconds ahead of everyone else. and ginobli has better skills.
Harden is a good player, but i just don't agree that he is that special player a max guy is. Playing with Durant and Westbrook gives him looks that he's never gonna get here. He might be the best player here, but so might Paul. or he might not be the best player, he might be just another skilled guy that looks really good playing beside really good players.
we'll just wait and see i suppose. personally, i think the whole idea of them choosing Ibaka over Harden is a bogus. all their moves so far (locking up Ibaka quickly and at an even cap hit, doing the whole Collison thing, collecting other cheap role players) has been enabling them to keep Harden rather than signaling his exit.
Re Ibaka as a top 3 defender - i don't think he is. An amazing shot blocker, and huge upside, but still very flawed in other areas (including overall defense). I don't think he's really a 50 mil guy right now in-game. But he should be soon, maybe even this year.
Re Harden-Manu. Harden in an exceptional pick and roll playmaker. He's not just a scorer. If you compare his playmaking to e.g. Joe Johnson, it's night and day. His playmaking is truly Manu-esque. His biggest flaws right now are on the defensive side. Offensively, he's one of the very best SGs in the league.
Any of you seen Aldrich play? he is hot garbage will be out on the league after his rookie deal is up.
Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.
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Durant - 20 million
Westbrook - 15.7 million
Ibaka - 12.25 million
Harden - 12.25 million
That's 60 million in 4 players, and that's even if they amnesty Perkins. Otherwise it's the luxury tax in 5 guys. That's even IF Harden doesn't get a contract that ends up in the 14/15 million range after a couple of years like Marc Gasol's deal. Which I think he could.
First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.
Ginobli has been in the league for a decade and been playing professionally longer than that. Of course he's got more big time moments than a guy who just turned 23 after his third season.
Ginobli has brilliant court vision. But there is a reason that Harden is the Thunder's crunch time ball handler. And it's not because he has Granger-esque blinders on.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
I think what he meant was that Harden basically choked in any big moments during the finals, whereas Manu has always been known to step up and perform within those moments.
My thing with Harden is, it's hard to tell whether or not he would be able to truly handle being the #1 option offensively on a very good team. Yes he is talented and a good scorer, but when you play with Westbrook and/or Durant at all times, you never have the other teams best defender on you. Though he is a pretty good athlete, most "great" number one scorer's have great athletic gifts (height, explosiveness, length, are a few examples) that allows them to dominate night in and night out. I'm not sure that Harden has those skills.
As far as the comparison to Manu, Manu has never had to be a number one option on a team and he has probably had a HOF career. If Harden and OKC can win a few championships, he may be able to carve out a career that's very similar.
Uh, Harden had a game in the Finals where he threw up 21 points on 7/11 shooting. How is that choking? If Paul George had done that against Miami he would have been crowned the second coming of Christ on here.
Uh, he also had games of 8, 9, and 5; shot 37% from the field, 32% from 3, blew wide open break away layups, was abused defensively and pretty much had a bad series. >>> That's choking.
And If PG had done THAT against MIA he would have been the subject of a million trade scenarios on here.
Just because Granger was a problem doesn't mean the bench wasn't a problem also.