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    heard that we agree deals with Mayo, Barbosa, and Fenesko

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    heard that we agree deals with Mayo, Barbosa, and Fenesko
    This has been discussed.
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    I think Lowry can be at least a one time all star like Hibbert, he was getting nominations before he got hurt, he was averaging 17 ppg 8.7 apg and 6.6 rpg before the injury, him been an all star is not as crazy as you think.
    I remember a few members of the national media thinking that Lowry was def an all-star snub.(see link below)

    He was playing at a very high level before his injury.

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    This has been discussed.
    oh i must ve missed it thanks tho

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    Unless we trade DC and play one of these guys at the one, idk why the he** we'd sign Barbosa AND Mayo. I'll believe it when I see it lol

    Yeah, Mayo thinks he's a PG.

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    Top NBA amnesty candidates
    Andray Blatche, Carlos Boozer and Darko Milicic all could be sent packing
    By Larry Coon | ESPN Insider


    The NBA's July moratorium comes to an end Tuesday, so beginning Wednesday teams are free to put ink to paper, collectively committing hundreds of millions of dollars to this year's pool of free agents. But just as many once-prized purchases eventually find their way to pawn shops and donation bins, the NBA provides its teams with an opportunity to do a little housecleaning of their own.


    It's the amnesty clause -- a one-time opportunity to kick a player to the curb, and take his contract off the team's books.


    This year's amnesty period runs from July 11 to 17, during which teams may waive one player. The team must continue to pay his salary, but the player no longer counts against the team's salary cap or luxury tax. For teams looking to clear cap space to chase free agents or reduce an onerous luxury-tax bill, the amnesty clause can be a magic bullet.

    Here are the ground rules: Amnesty is a one-time opportunity, so the seven teams that used the amnesty clause in 2011 (see sidebar) have to sit and watch this time. To be eligible, the player must have been with the team continuously since day one of the current CBA. In other words, a team cannot use the amnesty clause on any player it has signed or acquired via trade under the new agreement. And once he is waived via the amnesty provision, the team cannot reacquire the player for the life of his waived contract.


    Teams are free to choose the year in which they use the amnesty clause on a player, or to not use the amnesty clause at all. The 23 teams that didn't dump a player last December can take advantage of the opportunity this week, or they can wait another year.


    And proving that one man's junk is another man's treasure, the amnesty clause also gives teams the opportunity to pluck players off the waiver wire at a reduced rate. Other teams can submit a bid for a player who has been waived via the amnesty clause, in a process called a partial waiver claim. The team with the highest bid gets to keep the player, paying only the amount of its bid. The waiving team then gets to reduce the amount it still owes the player by a corresponding amount.


    For example, last season the New York Knicks used their amnesty clause on Chauncey Billups, who had one year left on his contract at about $14 million. The Los Angeles Clippers submitted a winning bid for about $2 million. Billups became a Clipper with Los Angeles paying $2 million of his salary, and the Knicks picking up the remaining $12 million.


    Partial waiver claims are available only to teams under the salary cap, and a team's bid amount can't exceed its cap room. This keeps players who have been waived via the amnesty clause from congregating together and joining contending teams at cut-rate prices.


    Teams must meet a minimum payroll each year, which this season is 85 percent of the salary cap. Even though players waived via the amnesty clause are wiped from the team's books, they still count toward the team's minimum payroll obligation -- so teams don't have to shy away from using the amnesty clause because they need to have more salary on their books.


    With the ground rules out of the way, here's our annual team-by-team breakdown of which teams are likely to use their amnesty waiver this season, and which players are likely to be set free. Keep in mind that most teams are in no rush to cut productive players, even if they are expensive. Unless the team needs to clear additional cap room for a free agent or get out from under a hefty luxury-tax bill, it is much more likely to keep its players than to pay them to leave.


    Teams are also more likely to use the amnesty clause when their player has a better chance to be picked up through a partial waiver claim, because they owe less money when a player is claimed by another team. For this reason a team might wait another year to use the amnesty clause on a player with two or three years remaining on his contract, reasoning that such a player might command a higher bid later in his contract. So as with all other front-office gamesmanship, correctly utilizing the amnesty provision requires a hefty dose of strategy.




    Atlanta Hawks
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Zaza Pachulia
    Notes: New GM Danny Ferry already unloaded the Hawks' "most likely to be waived via the amnesty clause" candidate, Marvin Williams.




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    Boston Celtics
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: There are no bad contracts on the Celtics' roster that are amnesty eligible.





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    Charlotte Bobcats
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidateseSagana Diop, Matt Carroll
    Notes: Although the team's 2011-12 campaign was among the all-time worst and Diop remains the most likely candidate to get the ax, it's more likely the team will stand pat this year.




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    Chicago Bulls
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Carlos Boozer
    Notes: The Bulls are desperately trying to stay below the tax line, especially if they match Omer Asik's offer sheet from the Houston Rockets. But this is one time that desperate times do not call for desperate measures. The Bulls are much more likely to wait a year or two before making a tough decision on Boozer.




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    Dallas Mavericks
    Most likely amnesty cut: Brendan Haywood
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Jump ball
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: Using the amnesty clause on Haywood once seemed like a foregone conclusion as the Mavs maneuvered to clear cap room for the likes of Deron Williams. But after failing to land a big-name free agent, the Mavs are no longer desperate for the cap room.




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    Denver Nuggets
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Chris Andersen
    Notes: The Nuggets are more inclined to save their amnesty for later, when they might be closer to the tax line.




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    Detroit Pistons
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Charlie Villanueva
    Notes: Joe Dumars has maintained that he has no intent to dump Charlie Villaneuva.




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    Houston Rockets
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: Daryl Morey seems to be conducting an experiment to see if an entire NBA roster can be converted to future draft considerations. Players like Luis Scola have trade value, so it's more likely Morey sits this amnesty period out.




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    Los Angeles Clippers
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Ryan Gomes
    Notes: Another team without a bad contract to use the amnesty clause on. Mo Williams would have been a dark-horse candidate, but the Clips traded him to the Utah Jazz.




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    Los Angeles Lakers
    Most likely amnesty cut: Metta World Peace
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Jump ball
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: Mitch Kupchak has been trying to move World Peace, and if he fails it's possible he will use the amnesty clause in order to take a bite out of the team's tax bill.




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    Memphis Grizzlies
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: The Grizzlies are still a year or two away from pulling the trigger on an amnesty waiver.





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    Miami Heat
    Most likely amnesty cut: Mike Miller
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Slam dunk
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: Ray Allen's arrival in Miami likely signaled Mike Miller's departure. Despite his Game 5 heroics in the Finals, his body is breaking down, he is owed $5.8 million this season and his team is firmly entrenched in luxury-tax territory.





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    Milwaukee Bucks
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Drew Gooden, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
    Notes: The Bucks are another team more likely to stand pat this year, saving their amnesty for later when another team is more likely to claim the player they waive. Gooden would likely be that player, although Mbah a Moute is also a possibility.




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    Minnesota Timberwolves
    Most likely amnesty cut: Darko Milicic
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Slam dunk
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: David Kahn intends to offer Nicolas Batum a maximum contract the first chance he gets. In order to do so, he will need to clear additional cap space. Milicic is likely to be shown the door.




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    New Orleans Hornets
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Jarrett Jack
    Notes: Dell Demps could trade Jack if necessary, so there is no reason to use the amnesty clause on him.




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    Oklahoma City Thunder
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: While Sam Presti has to be worried about his tax bill in a couple of years, everyone on the team is either a valuable contributor, has a short contract or has trade value.




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    Philadelphia 76ers
    Most likely amnesty cut: Elton Brand
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Slam dunk
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: Unless the Sixers can pull off a miracle trade in the next week, Brand being waived via the amnesty clause is a foregone conclusion in order to give the team enough cap room to sign Nick Young and Spencer Hawes.




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    Phoenix Suns
    Most likely amnesty cut: Josh Childress
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Jump ball
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: The Suns are ready to move on from the Steve Nash era, but may hold on to their amnesty for one more year in order to be players in the 2013 free-agent market.





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    Sacramento Kings
    Most likely amnesty cut: John Salmons
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: One of the cheapest teams in the league would be loath to pay a player $8 million to play somewhere else.




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    San Antonio Spurs
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: None
    Notes: As reported here last season, Spurs owner Peter Holt was the leading proponent for an amnesty clause that teams could "pocket" for later use. But while Richard Jefferson may have had an outside shot of being shown the door last season, the team has no likely amnesty candidates this season.




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    Toronto Raptors
    Most likely amnesty cut: Amir Johnson
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Jump ball
    Other amnesty candidates: Jose Calderon
    Notes: The Raptors now say they intend to keep Calderon to play him with Kyle Lowry. Using the amnesty clause on Amir Johnson remains a possibility, especially since he would likely be picked up on waivers, which would save the team additional money.




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    Utah Jazz
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Jump ball
    Other amnesty candidates: Raja Bell
    Notes: The Jazz are working on a buyout agreement with Bell, who clashed with head coach Ty Corbin last season and is unhappy in Utah. The team is likely to use its amnesty clause on Bell if it is unable to reach a buyout agreement.





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    Washington Wizards
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    How likely to use amnesty this season: Outside shot
    Other amnesty candidates: Andray Blatche
    Notes: Washington will keep its options open, but its most likely action is to stand pat.


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    I remember a few members of the national media thinking that Lowry was def an all-star snub.(see link below)

    He was playing at a very high level before his injury.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...nubs-surprises
    Which would mean that the West would have had to have FIVE point guard All-Stars....

    Not sure how it can be a "snub" when the roster already has 4 players more deserving ahead of you. 4 PGs is too many PGs. 5 is in Kahn territory.
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    So the Wizards might amnesty Andray Blatche and I know he is a headache but I would make an offer for 2-3 million per year. IF he doesn't work out it wouldn't be much of a loss.

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    Damn you Spurs damn you

    @WojYahooNBA: Boris Diaw has reached agreement on a two-year, $9 million-plus contract to stay with San Antonio, league source tells Y! Sports.

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    Amir Johnson could be interesting back up big at a discount via an amnesty bid.

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    Mayo and Barbosa would make me puke. How many SGs does this team need? Let's not be Houston here and just collect a bunch of guys at a single position.
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    No reason to sign Barbosa AND Mayo (as many have said), particularly because we already have DC, Orlando Calrissian, and Lance to come off the bench. That's five backup guards (no es bueno). I say back out on Barbosa and sign GERALD GREEN! Then trade DC and Hansbrough for a big man. I'm all right with re-signing Fes.
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    IF this rumor was true are the Pacers planning on playing in the under 6'6" division?

    Dahntay
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    Dahntay C
    Johnson PF
    Mayo SF
    Hill SG
    DC PG

    Barbosa and Stephenson off the bench.

    I don't see Barbosa coming back. Fez, I can see retuning.

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    No reason to sign Barbosa AND Mayo (as many have said), particularly because we already have DC, Orlando Calrissian, and Lance to come off the bench. That's five backup guards (no es bueno). I say back out on Barbosa and sign GERALD GREEN! Then trade DC and Hansbrough for a big man. I'm all right with re-signing Fes.
    Yeah, if you are going to sign someone with no defense, but offers an offensive punch, I'd rather have Green. He'd probably be cheaper and he's tall and athletic enough to provide a better backup to Granger.
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    Yeah, if you are going to sign someone with no defense, but offers an offensive punch, I'd rather have Green. He'd probably be cheaper and he's tall and athletic enough to provide a better backup to Granger.
    He's not a bad defender, but he provides more defense in transition than on-ball. And with Mayo, we'd have more of a one-two offensive punch. Two scorers off the bench is better than one (or none).
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    Having Mayo and Green come off the bench could ease the pain of seeing Hans being the main backup PF.
    Lance + Starting SG = Awesome

    Now really free Lance!

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    I'm not sure I believe this kid, but I don't have nearly the hard time believing we'd want Barbosa and Mayo on our bench that some of you do. Look at how hard it was for us to score from the bench in the playoffs.
    Except that one of the main reasons WHY it was hard for us to score from the bench in the playoffs was that Barbosa was coming off the bench in the playoffs and he just reeked.
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    Which would mean that the West would have had to have FIVE point guard All-Stars....

    Not sure how it can be a "snub" when the roster already has 4 players more deserving ahead of you. 4 PGs is too many PGs. 5 is in Kahn territory.
    Once again you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, yes he was not an all star because the West has a lot of point guards, that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be an AS and doesn't change the fact that he was traded for a pick, he has the potential to be an AS in the east for sure.

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    But Barbosa was a huge part of that problem...
    I've never seen a guy slip and fall down so much chasing his guy on defense. I thought he was a great pickup, but waaaaaaaaay too streaky for my taste.
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    Wasn't Barbosa injured during the playoffs? Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems I remember him having an injury.

    Anyway, it seems to me that it was his arrival that helped spark the Pacers during the regular season. I think he may be taking a bit too much of a hit in these threads.

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    Once again you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, yes he was not an all star because the West has a lot of point guards, that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be an AS and doesn't change the fact that he was traded for a pick, he has the potential to be an AS in the east for sure.
    Excuses.

    That's pretty argumentative, so I'll exand it. Think about this. If a guy that's never put up anywhere close to 18&8, puts those numbers up for half a season (not even half a season) and still doesn't make the All Star team, that would mean he would have to play at a higher level than he's ever played before.

    Which is more likely. Kyle Lowry taking his game up to a completely new level and bettering his 18&8 or him playing at the level at which he's pretty much always played?

    Lowry has a long way to go to enter the level of CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Rondo, DWill, etc. PG might be the deepest position in the league right now, especially with young players like Irving and Rubio busting on to the scene. The idea that Lowry will be a probable All-Star, which again is what you were arguing for, just isn't all that realistic.

    And again, you go from arguing that the Pacers need young talent that will become aprobable All-Star, in order to make the next jump, and then start arguing that Kyle Lowry is the answer, just doesn't add up.

    But yeah, you can keep moving the goalposts while I'm arguing just to argue.
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    If we could send out Inferno and Hansbrough, I'd consider signing Humphries to a 3 year / $8-9 mil contract while getting back the same package that the Cavs got.....a 1st round pick+$$$+Sundita Gaines+QRich ( bought out by $$$ ).
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    So the Wizards might amnesty Andray Blatche and I know he is a headache but I would make an offer for 2-3 million per year. IF he doesn't work out it wouldn't be much of a loss.


    I couldn't agree more. A change of scenery and David West might be just what he needs.

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