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Off season Rumors and Speculation

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  • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    Robinson is the same size as Danny Granger, isn't he? That seems undersized for a 4. You've watched him more than i have, so i will be glad to take your word for his skills. He'd better be good at that size, though.

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      I'm not high on Robinson. He's one of those guys who I see as having the dominant skill set for college and not for the pros. Also, Kansas players never pan out. Who is the best Jayhawk in the NBA since Paul Pierce? Nick Collison? Brandon Rush?

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        Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
        I'm not high on Robinson. He's one of those guys who I see as having the dominant skill set for college and not for the pros. Also, Kansas players never pan out. Who is the best Jayhawk in the NBA since Paul Pierce? Nick Collison? Brandon Rush?
        isnt just a dominate skill set(which he does have but it's a NBA skill set IMO) the dude is a excellent athlete and plays like a big man


        this isnt a guy who puts up numbers but doesn't look like a NBA athlete like a Sullinger(Sully will play in the NBA and do well but the athleticism will limit him IMO because his motor is lacking if he had a Trob motor he would be a lot better)


        and BTW Trob is almost identical to Blake Griffin body wise Trob is just longer(longer arms) but Blake has a bit better hops IMO. I think Trob will be a better defender than Blake(not saying much though) he plays with more effort on the side and is longer which helps. But Blake Griffin is probably the best comp they play the same style and have the same body.

        and by saying he is undersized that is like saying 60% of the PF's are undersized that is saying Karl Malone was undersized who had a very similar frame 6'9 in shoes 250.
        He will never be a superstar but IMO he will be really good.


        What is standard size at PF if guys like Malone are undersized are you expecting us to go twin towers style and get a Pau Gasol sized guy??

        like I said he plays like he is 6'11 not 6'7 with how athletic and skilled he is and how his motor never stops and he loves contact.

        The reason Perry Jones is viewed by himself as a SF is he hates contact. The guy is 6'11 but hating contact he doesn't play that big. I just think height is all relative to play style and how big the guy plays which like Hicks post there are so many variables in figuring that out. But watch the Baylor v Kansas tape and tell me who you think plays bigger Trob or Perry Jones the answer is pretty obvious.



        he is bigger body wise than Danny Granger Trob has 20lbs on him.
        Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-16-2012, 03:02 AM.

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          Originally posted by spreedom View Post
          No chance Charlotte accepts that. PG/Hans/pick for #2/Henderson I can see.
          I would quit watching the Pacers. I HATE Henderson.
          Senior at the University of Louisville.
          Greenfield ---> The Ville

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          • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            HENDERSON!

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              Originally posted by Tom White View Post
              Fine and dandy. Are you saying the Pacers would have beaten Orlando if Howard had been healthy. That, after all, is my point, not the bracketing of teams.
              I'm not, as they probably would have beaten us, but your original statement said the only reason the Pacers got out of the first was because Howard was hurt. That was my point.

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              • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/worko...n-heats-pacers

                Workout Season Heats Up for Pacers
                by Conrad Brunner || Caught in the Web Archive ||
                June 14, 2012


                When the playoffs last a little longer than usual, the pre-draft process tends to get compressed. Though the Pacers have had just two workouts sandwiched around the NBA's draft combine in Chicago, the practice court at Bankers Life Fieldhouse will get a lot busier in the two weeks leading up to the draft.


                After bringing in two point guards (Tyshawn Taylor of Kansas and Scott Machado of Iona) with four forwards (Royce White of Iowa State, Draymond Green of Michigan State, Andrew Nicholson of St. Bonaventure and Mike Scott of Virginia) in the initial workout on June 4, the Pacers brought in six wing players Thursday:


                Darius Miller (Kentucky), Jeffery Taylor (Vanderbilt), Will Barton (Memphis), Khris Middleton (Texas A&M), Jae Crowder (Marquette) and Kent Bazemore (Old Dominion).


                Of that group, Taylor generally is the most highly ranked in mock drafts, commonly showing in the bottom third of the first round, while Barton and Middleton also rate as first-round prospects.


                Clearly the Pacers have a variety of options with their only selection, No. 26 overall (their second-round pick went to Toronto in the Leandro Barbosa trade), not the least of which would be to package the pick in a trade for a veteran as they did last year in acquiring George Hill.


                So what are they looking for? The Pacers let that be known in their interviews with the prospects.


                "They're looking for a role-player," Crowder said. "They've got good depth here, good players in good positions so they're looking for role-players that are willing to step in immediately."


                One guy who stands out in that area is Miller, that rarest of college basketball phenomena -- a senior from Kentucky. At 6-8, 225, Miller has played with seven first-round picks in his college career (Jodie Meeks, John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Patrick Patterson, Eric Bledsoe, Daniel Orton and Brandon Knight) and that number is expected to grow to 12 in a couple of weeks.


                All five starters from the Wildcats' national championship team are projected as first-round picks, beginning with Anthony Davis at No. 1. Miller was no slouch as a talent, entering Kentucky as the state's Mr. Basketball, but spent most of his four seasons as a complementary reserve. He averaged 10.9 points and 4.6 rebounds in 31.0 minutes as a junior and 9.9 points and 2.8 boards in 26.1 minutes as a senior.


                "It seems like the older I got," Miller said, "the younger everybody else got."


                A close friend of former Butler University and current Washington Wizards guard Shelvin Mack -- the two Kentucky natives played on the same AAU team for several years -- Miller knows how to fill a role.


                "I've played with a lot of talented players, been on a lot of talented teams so I feel like I could come in and be comfortable in a lot of different roles," he said. "I played different roles at Kentucky and was comfortable with all of them so hopefully that can be an advantage for me."


                One of those players he competed against was Vanderbilt's Taylor, a fellow senior and a rock-solid small forward (6-7, 225) who brings a reputation for solid defense and athleticism and improving shooting to the table. Taylor evolved from .091 from the arc as a sophomore to .423 as a senior.


                "During my years in school I improved my 3-point shooting a lot so I think teams are wanting to see if that was a fluke or if it's actually the real deal," Taylor said. "And I'm out here trying to prove what people know, that I'm an extremely good defensive player and that I can score the ball, as well."


                Barton also is an intriguing prospect, a lithe (6-6, 175) shooting guard who produced 18.0 points, 8.0 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.4 steals while shooting .509 from the field as a sophomore. He'll need to add strength to contend in the NBA but has obvious athleticism and the ability to create.


                He's also something of a Pacers fan.


                "I watched them real closely," he said. "They're a team that likes to get after it on defense, they get up and down in transition and really just get after you. I think that's the kind of player I am and I bring a toughness like they already have. They're a real tough team so I think I would be a good asset.


                "I'm a winner. I've always won at every level I've been on. That's the most important thing about the game is winning so when a team is winning and they're interested in you, it makes it more appealing."


                Another workout comes Friday with yet another interesting mix: guards Ashton Gibbs (Pitt), Evan Fournier (France), John Jenkins (Vanderbilt) and Tony Wroten (Washington) along with 7-footer Travis Hyman (Bowie State) and power forward Josh Owens (Stanford).

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                  Local products Young, Mavunga work out for Pacers

                  Written byMike Wells


                  There was a local feel during predraft workouts held out at Bankers Life Fieldhouse today.Local products Alex Young (IUPUI) and Julian Mavunga (Brownsburg High School) were among the six players to workout for the Indiana Pacers today.“It’s a good opportunity to show the Pacers what I can do,” Young said. “I know they’ve seen me a lot, but it’s still good to come in here and show off my skills.”Young, who averaged 20.4 points last season at IUPUI, is a borderline draft pick.

                  Mavunga, who spent fours years at Miami (Ohio), likely won’t get drafted.
                  “I’m just trying to show I can play and compete,” Mavunga said. “At the end of the day, it’s on you. When you get the opportunity like this to come in and work against other guys, it’s up to you.”Reggie Hamilton (Oakland University), Kyle Kuric (Louisville), Ricardo Ratliffe (Missouri) and Hollis Thompson (Georgetown) also worked out today.

                  The Pacers have the No. 26 pick in the June 28 draft.

                  http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...ork-out-Pacers

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                  • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                    HENDERSON!

                    I wonder how many people know what you're talking about?

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                    • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                      Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                      I'm not high on Robinson. He's one of those guys who I see as having the dominant skill set for college and not for the pros. Also, Kansas players never pan out. Who is the best Jayhawk in the NBA since Paul Pierce? Nick Collison? Brandon Rush?
                      Chalmers?

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                      • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                        Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                        I'm not high on Robinson. He's one of those guys who I see as having the dominant skill set for college and not for the pros. Also, Kansas players never pan out. Who is the best Jayhawk in the NBA since Paul Pierce? Nick Collison? Brandon Rush?
                        Hinrich i guess

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                        • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                          Local products Young, Mavunga work out for Pacers

                          Written byMike Wells


                          There was a local feel during predraft workouts held out at Bankers Life Fieldhouse today.Local products Alex Young (IUPUI) and Julian Mavunga (Brownsburg High School) were among the six players to workout for the Indiana Pacers today.“It’s a good opportunity to show the Pacers what I can do,” Young said. “I know they’ve seen me a lot, but it’s still good to come in here and show off my skills.”Young, who averaged 20.4 points last season at IUPUI, is a borderline draft pick.

                          Mavunga, who spent fours years at Miami (Ohio), likely won’t get drafted.
                          “I’m just trying to show I can play and compete,” Mavunga said. “At the end of the day, it’s on you. When you get the opportunity like this to come in and work against other guys, it’s up to you.”Reggie Hamilton (Oakland University), Kyle Kuric (Louisville), Ricardo Ratliffe (Missouri) and Hollis Thompson (Georgetown) also worked out today.

                          The Pacers have the No. 26 pick in the June 28 draft.

                          http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...ork-out-Pacers
                          I'm just excited to see what O'Quinn does in the upcoming workout, probably will not get much info about how players did though oh well.
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                          • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            For the record, I am very high on Thomas Robinson and Bradley Beal. Thomas Robinson is David West plus rebounding, and Bradley Beal is a healthy Eric Gordon with a step back in talent as of right now...

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                            • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              The last 2 workouts didn't have much info. Were the Pacers impressed by any of the players?? Did someone stand out to them?

                              Jae Crowder would be a nice fit for our team.
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              • Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                Crowder is a 6'4 power forward I don't see him as a fit at all.

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