sorry i can't say it better, but the pacers need to trade up talent wise. if they trade danny, they need to get either lebron or wade back.
Last edited by xIndyFan; 06-06-2012 at 07:16 PM.
Bird buys Pacers.
Bird hires Pritchard.
Pacers trade Danny & 26 for Calderon, #8, and Ed Davis
Pacers make max offer to Eric Gordon.
Pacers Pick Harrison Barnes, PJIII, or Jared Sullinger at #8
Get Geoge Hill for around 5-7 million a year, get Roy for 12 or so.
Line up looks like this.
Otherwise, Bargnani = Italian Troy Murphy, no thanks.
Davis & Barnagni would be a tremendous 2nd unit front court, though.
Otherwise, it's a very apt comparison.
They shoot, they look lost, they rarely pass, signed to very long 8 figure contracts, and neither can hit within 5 feet around the basket (Bargnani is actually worse at that than Murphy, which takes special talent to achieve for a 7 footer).
Man Ed Davis is a great young prospect that hits the boards and plays physical down low. Bargnani gives us our own Ryan Anderson that everyone do remember is the mip. You can still trade dc for number 10 so you have two top ten picks a solid first and second unit and you can still go get you a sf to fill out the roster and will have an excellent young team going forward. Something like thunder
Btw, there were pictures of Ed Davis in a tattoo studio making circles around twitter during the lockout, where he seemed to have a beer belly. Combined with rumors of not so perfect work ethic, combined with declined performance this season, I don't think of him as a huge asset.
I think they'll probably target Gay with that deal.
But I personally don't see it as a huge offer that's way above Granger's value.
To me, Bargs is an overpaid player and a neutral asset at best. Davis is a good cheap player but not likely to be great.
So I see it as Gay (or Granger in our case) for no.8 and fillers with a little bit of extra value. Considering Gerald Wallace was traded for #6, I'd say it's a deal that's about right. They aren't getting a legit top 15 star player with Bargs,Davis and #8.
Last edited by ballism; 06-06-2012 at 08:18 PM.
Murphy wishes he had Andrea's tools stop it with the comparison he is way better than that.
Not Troy Murphy.
Bargs would be a nice bench player, or he might even be a starter if paired with a great all around, athletic player like a young KG or Dwight. But he's not a 10-11 mil a year player, nor IMO is he as good as Ryan Anderson like someone implied earlier. Anderson is a very decent defender, and he does not give up on boards.
Last edited by ballism; 06-08-2012 at 07:47 PM.
Who's going to be there with the #10 though. We don't need a SG (unless you are looking at trading Granger at some point and moving PG to the SF spot) or a starting SF. I honestly don't like the PGs in this draft. I don't see a PF/C type player other than Sully. Can Sullinger play PF in the NBA? If he could and was there at 10, that'd be good value. Sullinger reminds me of David West.
The middle of the draft is a bit iffy. There is solid value all around in this draft, but the middle of the draft doesn't make me salivate to get a trade made.
Last edited by Sparhawk; 06-06-2012 at 10:10 PM.
3 scenarios for the draft, starting with my favorite first:
1. Pacers trade up for Justice Winslow
2. Take WCS or Stanley Johnson (this is the theory of a player falling); Make trades (Hibbert/West/others) for additional picks - George Lucas and Rakeem Christmas are players I'd love to have with a late first/early 2nd round
3. Trey Lyles
I'm sure my opinion will change many times before the draft though.
I don't see how anyone could consider this a good trade for Granger. The only redeeming quality is the #8, and that is no guarantee, and aren't rebuilding in Indy any more.
Defensively, they do play him as a 4 quite a bit. They'd often have Reggie Evans (last year) or Amir Johnson trying to battle Howards of the league, rather than Bargs. But that's not because Bargs defends 4s well.
Offensively, i don't think there's much to adjust. he's inefficient in the low post as it is, midrange is his area. put a Howard in the middle and ask Bargs to mainly shoot from 15ft+.
But I don't know that he would be "perfect" as a 4 next to any of those guys, in the sense that a coach would want him over other 10-11 mil power forwards.
He would still be a huge liability on defense. It would just be the best possible situation for Bargs.
Where he could be 'perfect' is the old Nellie system. He has size mismatch, he's able to get a shot in a midrange iso, both of which Nellie used to love, and his defense wouldn't bother the coach.