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    Various times in the last few weeks, there have been reports that the Golden State Warriors are targeting a major upgrade at small forward this offseason. The seventh overall pick in the 2012 Draft will be in play. Just a few days ago, Warriors consultant Jerry West spoke openly about the need for the franchise to add contributing veterans to the roster.

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    The Warriors will also explore using the No. 7 pick to get a veteran. .... Golden State has long since had interest in Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala, who is exactly the playmaking athlete the Warriors need at small forward. Other small forwards high on their list, according to league sources, are Portland's Nick Batum, Indiana's Danny Granger and Memphis' Rudy Gay. And don't be surprised if the Warriors make a play for Atlanta forward Josh Smith.

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    Unless Golden St wants to part with #7 and Steph Curry (which they won't) I say no thanks.

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    You do realize they already traded Monta, right?
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    I don't see how it would work financially.

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    They have nothing we would want. That they would be wiling to give up.
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    #7 for Granger? I think that's an easy pass. Here are the past #7's. I think Danny is above that average...and I'm not a big Granger fan. I am open to trading a known and younger asset for Granger...but not a chance.

    Bismack Biyombo
    Greg Monroe
    Stephen Curry
    Eric Gordon
    Corey Brewer
    Randy Foye
    Charlie Villanueva

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    #7 for Granger? I think that's an easy pass. Here are the past #7's. I think Danny is above that average...and I'm not a big Granger fan. I am open to trading a known and younger asset for Granger...but not a chance.

    Bismack Biyombo
    Greg Monroe
    Stephen Curry
    Eric Gordon

    Corey Brewer
    Randy Foye
    Charlie Villanueva
    3 of those guys are clearly better than Granger. I'd say it's about 50-50 whether you find a better player than Granger at 7. My initial thought is, I wouldn't do it unless Bradley Beal drops to 7.
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    3 of those guys are clearly better than Granger. I'd say it's about 50-50 whether you find a better player than Granger at 7. My initial thought is, I wouldn't do it unless Bradley Beal drops to 7.
    Seriously? On Paper sure, all of them are young and offer alot of value going forward, but they have to actually play the games.

    I believe the quotes coming out of Golden State last year were that Curry could permanently damage his ankle and ruin his career if he didn't rest it. So who knows if that guy is healthy or not going forward. Somebody get the man new shoes so his ankle doesn't fall off.

    Eric Gordon- sure I'd love to have him, but again injury issues...

    Monroe is going to be a beast but lets be real he isn't even the conversation for the Pacers.
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    Seriously? On Paper sure, all of them are young and offer alot of value going forward, but they have to actually play the games.

    I believe the quotes coming out of Golden State last year were that Curry could permanently damage his ankle and ruin his career if he didn't rest it. So who knows if that guy is healthy or not going forward. Somebody get the man new shoes so his ankle doesn't fall off.

    Eric Gordon- sure I'd love to have him, but again injury issues...

    Monroe is going to be a beast but lets be real he isn't even the conversation for the Pacers.
    The point is that finding a better player than Granger with the 7th pick is anything but impossible. In fact, it's about 50-50. If BlueNGold would have added one year to his list, it would have been exactly 50-50. Luol Deng was taken there in 2004.

    As for the three I'd highlighted, if any one of those players were offered for Granger straight up, even in spite of their injury issues, it would be an absolute no brainer.
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    Picks 6-8, the past 10 NBA Drafts:

    2002
    #6. Dajuan Wagner
    #7. Nene
    #8. Chris Wilcox

    2003
    #6. Cris Kaman
    #7. Kirk Hinrich
    #8. T.J. Ford

    2004
    #6. Josh Childress
    #7. Luol Deng
    #8. Rafael Araujo

    2005
    #6. Martell Webster
    #7. Charlie Villanueva
    #8. Channing Frye

    2006
    #6. Brandon Roy
    #7. Randy Foye
    #8. Rudy Gay

    2007
    #6. Yi Jianlian
    #7. Corey Brewer
    #8. Brandan Wright

    2008
    #6. Danilo Gallinari
    #7. Eric Gordon
    #8. Joe Alexander

    2009
    #6. Johnny Flynn
    #7. Stephen Curry
    #8. Jordan Hill

    2010
    #6. Ekpe Udoh
    #7. Greg Monroe
    #8. Al-Farouq Aminu

    2011
    #6. Jan Vesley
    #7. Bismack Biyombo
    #8. Brandon Knight

    There's been a few very good players selected in this range over the past decade, and one great player, Brandon Roy, but, for the most part, that's a underwhelming list of names.

    Using that list as a predictor, I'd say there's about a...

    • 07% chance #7 lands a player noticeably better than Danny Granger.
    • 22% chance #7 lands a player roughly the same quality as Danny Granger.
    • 71% chance #7 lands a player significantly worse than Danny Granger.

    Danny for #7 doesn't seem worth it to me, especially knowing that this time team, as currently constructed, made serious progress this past season. If we could get a team to observe Danny's contract, meaning we ended up with both #7 and an additional $10-11M in capspace, then I might consider it.

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    #7 for Granger? I think that's an easy pass. Here are the past #7's. I think Danny is above that average...and I'm not a big Granger fan. I am open to trading a known and younger asset for Granger...but not a chance.

    Bismack Biyombo
    Greg Monroe
    Stephen Curry
    Eric Gordon
    Corey Brewer
    Randy Foye
    Charlie Villanueva
    I'm not necessarily in favor of trading Danny for #7, but I don't think the main reason for abstaining should rest on how the players picked at that position in that past have fared thus far. That has nothing to do with the player you'd pick this year. And how that player pans out has little to do with his draft positioning, or the draft record of the past GM's picking at that position.
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    #7 for Granger? I think that's an easy pass. Here are the past #7's. I think Danny is above that average...and I'm not a big Granger fan. I am open to trading a known and younger asset for Granger...but not a chance.

    Bismack Biyombo
    Greg Monroe
    Stephen Curry
    Eric Gordon
    Corey Brewer
    Randy Foye
    Charlie Villanueva

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    #7 for Granger? I think that's an easy pass. Here are the past #7's. I think Danny is above that average...and I'm not a big Granger fan. I am open to trading a known and younger asset for Granger...but not a chance.

    Bismack Biyombo
    Greg Monroe
    Stephen Curry
    Eric Gordon
    Corey Brewer
    Randy Foye
    Charlie Villanueva
    I would take the bolded players over Granger.

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    I would take the bolded players over Granger.
    I probably wouldn't do that in the Pacers situation. The Pacers in their current position relative to the rest of their competition should probably just stick with Granger because you don't know what you're getting healthwise with Curry and Gordon.

    Greg Monroe is the guy who I thought the Warriors should have drafted in 2010 (and I still think this way), but I think he's overrated by a lot of people. He skilled, but for a bigman, he's a little more Troy Murphy-esque than people realize.

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    David Lee + no.7 for West and Granger. They amnesty Biedrins and provide us with extra 7-8 mil in cap space.
    We have 17m+ in cap even if we keep Hill.
    I guess GSW wouldn't be interested though.

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    David Lee + no.7 for West and Granger. They amnesty Biedrins and provide us with extra 7-8 mil in cap space.
    We have 17m+ in cap even if we keep Hill.
    I guess GSW wouldn't be interested though.
    uhhh....no. I think both Danny and West are immensely more valuable to us that Lee or the 7.

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    uhhh....no. I think both Danny and West are immensely more valuable to us that Lee or the 7.
    Yep. Get that outta here. But West for the #7 is about right for this team. It would hurt our chances next year, but it's still worth it long term.

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    I'm not sure. Especially looking at the list of former #7s.

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    I doubt the Pacers are willing to part with Granger and Collison for Curry and the 7th pick. We were a couple games away from the Eastern Conference Finals. At this point, trading our captain and above average veteran backup point guard for Seth Curry and a rookie is rebuilding. Rebuilding doesn't seem like too bright of an idea at this moment.

    Curry Klay and the 7th for Granger and Collison is a little better I guess, but I don't know. I doubt GSW pulls the trigger anyway. Klay Thompson is good. That kid can score in bunches.

    I'd be down for Paul George and the 26th for Klay. I'd do that in the blink of an eye. If they want to throw in the 7th, even better. Highly unlikely though.

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    uhhh....no. I think both Danny and West are immensely more valuable to us that Lee or the 7.
    are they? you aren't trading for one of those things, it's both of them + significant cap. It opens up a ton of options this summer to take the next step. But it doesn't seem to make much sense from GSW point of view.

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    David Lee + no.7 for West and Granger. They amnesty Biedrins and provide us with extra 7-8 mil in cap space.
    We have 17m+ in cap even if we keep Hill.
    I guess GSW wouldn't be interested though.
    I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do that, let alone worrying about how GSW feels.

    I'd consider Danny for #7 and Lee, though. Lee'd be terrific off the bench.

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    I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do that, let alone worrying about how GSW feels.

    I'd consider Danny for #7 and Lee, though. Lee'd be terrific off the bench.
    Lee off the bench? I think he starts over West, either way I would not mind trading Danny+ Tyler for Lee+ #7

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    I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do that, let alone worrying about how GSW feels.

    I'd consider Danny for #7 and Lee, though. Lee'd be terrific off the bench.
    Sure. I just think it would suck from GSW perspective. They wouldn't upgrade in talent, nor would their roster get more complete, they'd just get a similar level player on a shorter contract. They'd be basically paying #7 to save some money.

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