Bobby Knight syndrome - people love a guy so much that even his mistakes are part of a plan you just don't understand. IU fans used to say that he had them lose on purpose just to teach them lessons...oh, except for the undefeated team. I guess that team taught him the errors of his ways.
Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 05-30-2012 at 06:25 PM.
Resigning Jeff WAS a mistake. He didn't do anything to earn the money, as far as I know.
It was, however, a very tiny mistake since it carried no clear consequences or impact, either positively or negatively, toward the product on the floor. We still had money to sign others, we still had roster spots, and it is certainly not clear that we were relying on Jeff to any extent. It was a risk that didn't pan out. Small risk / possible significant reward / actual non-event.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
I'm (maybe) back after being repetedly banned, merely for supporting a different NFL team than do certain forum moderators.
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2 - oppressive, onerous
3 - serious, grave
One more time.
We only paid him $3 million, he wasn't taking anyone else's roster spot, we had roster spots and $ left over after signing him that we didn't use, and his impact on the cap was basically nonexistent - up until we signed Fez and Barbosa we weren't even at the minimum salary number even WITH his salary. Those are all facts.
We had quite a bit of $$ to go and sign another backup big even AFTER we signed Foster. We chose not to, until we got Fez at least. Lou Amundson ended up getting most of the minutes Foster would have gotten.
If your argument is that the front office screwed up by not having another better backup big other than Lou / Pendergraph / Fez in case Foster couldn't play, then fine, I don't necessarily agree but I can see the logic.
But saying that Jeff's $3-million salary that didn't even put us over the league minimum salary limit was somehow the reason we didn't end up with Kaman or some other great center is just factually wrong.
It's non-issue, seriously. Can we please move on?
I suppose they thought they would get more out of Foster. I also suppose they thought they would get more out of Granger, Collison, Hill, Hibbert, West, Lance, Paul, etc.
Foster couldnt stop leBron nor Wade and he dam sure cant be described as a pur point guard or instant offense off the bench
If Bird didnt offer 5 million to Foster believe me he would have had no problem getting close to that elsewhere
Sittin on top of the world!
Rather than basing your opinions on other people's interpretations of the press conference, I highly suggest you all watch it for yourselves. I just did, and I'm glad I did.
On topic now, Hibbert, Hill and George don't get better? Our starting five was getting it done against Miami and I believe they will get better with experience and age, so why not add another reliable bench peice to strengthen the 8 man rotation come playoff time next year. I like their chemistry, which shouldn't be under-valued. I want Williams as much as the next guy, but the brass is not interested in spending on the luxury tax to keep guys like George in particular. To sign Hibbert and Williams would put us in that category next year already.
Plus, Williams is a locker room killer. I'm not sure why I believe that, I just sense it.
How much we really learn from this presser?
Isn't so much of this bluffs and positioning? If Bird really plans to trade a piece or two, doesn't he want to appear like he loves every player and has no plan for trades—to keep their value up?
Why doesn't Herb let Larry bid for RFA i dont understand i almost guarantee someone will offer Hibbert something ?
i dont understand
Am I the only one that heard what Bird said about the salary cap? Everyone on here is saying that Bird is definitely not going after D Will.
At the 6:10 mark in the video when talking about the salary cap Bird says," It's not like you want to spend it all at once, now if that one player comes up and you want to go after him, then yeah, we'll go after him."
That one player to me would be Deron Williams. It doesn't mean we'll get him but it also doesn't mean we won't try.
Last edited by The Sleeze; 05-30-2012 at 10:17 PM.
As usual, vnzla completely morphed what I was saying to fit his own narrative. $3 million isn't a crazy amount of money in the grand scheme of NBA salaries. It was a one year deal for a guy who has meant a lot to the franchise. I don't mean to go around signing all the milk drinking old farts to absurd contracts, but I believe there is a lot to be said for veteran leadership. You need a couple of guys like that on your team, especially if you have a relatively inexperienced bunch.
What happens if we dont get Nash or Deron?
we are gonna be screwed