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Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

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  • Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

    Release the balloons-



    Underpowered, off the pace, and ordered off the track:



    Hinch looked promising early but never really challenged late:


    I suspect TK got everything out of his car today:


    In the things that make you go hmmmm category... Conway slides into his pit askew and hits a couple of crew members. In the photo he's not yet stopped and you see one crewman in the air and another about to be hit in front. Supposedly, this damaged the front wing but they went back out without repairing it and allegedly that led to Conway getting into the wall and collecting Will Power as well. Power wasn't happy.



    Marco had a very Andretti day. Led the most laps I believe... grew frustrated with his team.... and ultimately didn't even finish the race.



    Ed Carpenter seemed to have everything falling his way until a late spin. He didn't hit anything but the spin cost him a great finish possibility, including the possibility of being in contention for the win at the end.



    Pagenaud's team makes a pit stop:



    Graham Rahal:


    I never really noticed Hilderbrand ever really being a factor.



    The pits can be a busy place:


    Will Power:



    Rubens.



    RHR- Lost power and that ended his day:



    Townsend Bell. Fairly quiet compared to a normal Townsend Ball month of May.



    If racing was more like a parade then the best looking car would get an award. Sea Bass would certainly be in contention for that award:



    Pole sitter Ryan Briscoe:




    Heading for the checkered flag... under caution...



    Dario Franchitti heads down Pit Row after winning 2012 Indy 500



    Sato has a habit of brain fades so it's hard to say for sure if there was any way the circumstances could've played out differently for him but I suspect if the track could've went green just a tad sooner and given him a few more laps to ride in second after passing Dixon either himself or himself with the help of his team could've strategized that last lap better. Dario gave him room enough. In fact, it almost looked like Dario baited him into making that early (and rushed) move. He saw a hole and took it before really considering if he should.

    I never really got a good feel for the crowd today. I did see the speedway has finally admitted defeat and simply removed those lousy seats that no longer sell along the pit entrance.

    It was a very entertaining race. I think just the fact Danica wasn't there was a plus for me. I hope she never comes back but I'm sure she will... as soon as her schtick wears off in Nascar and she comes back with her tail between her legs... And she'll find out the sport moved on without her just fine. But as long as her marketing machine is in gear someone will accept her money.

    I'm guessing the new engines Honda loaded in the cars weren't just clones of their earlier incarnations. As soon as I saw how quickly Dario and Dixon were able to get to the front, even after Dario had the issue in the pit, I knew this wasn't going to be a Chevy party like pole day was.

    My sincerest thank you to Beaux Barfield for keeping the pace car on the track until the T4 pit entrance. That's the proper way to start and restart the Indy 500. Also glad to see that they got the Loti off the track quickly when it was obvious they were going to be rolling chicanes (and the call was made before letting them get too much in the way of the leaders rather than waiting for the leaders to have trouble with them and THEN making the Milka call). Simona came in quickly but Alesi stayed out an extra lap or two after the call was made. Not sure if they stopped scoring the Loti or what because technically if Simona came in first she would be 33rd and Alesi, having an extra lap under his belt, would be 32. But track scoring had them listed opposite of that.

    Also, except for the Marco accident (and that might be perception more than reality) it seemed the track went back to green fairly quickly today. That's the way it ought to be. IIRC there was a lot of chatter on the radios trying to get the cars in the correct order for the restart after Marco's accident.

    As for the heat... Whatcha talking about? Our shaded seats in the Paddock Penthouse with a continual breeze were actually pretty comfortable.
    And honestly that is true... but for those out there on that aluminum with no shade. OUCH.
    Last edited by Bball; 05-28-2012, 01:47 AM.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

    Thanks for the pictures!
    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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      Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

      I usually sit in the first turn area and the grandstands over there are nearly completely full there every year. But this year I sat in the third turn and I couldn't believe how many empty seats I saw. There were very noticeable pockets of empty seats in the backstretch, the third turn, and the short chute. Sad to see.

      Good race though, especially at the end.
      Last edited by Sollozzo; 05-28-2012, 04:03 PM.

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        Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

        http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...Fans-deal-heat

        The calendar said May, but the thermometer felt more like August for the fans at Sunday's Indianapolis 500.

        The temperature was officially 91 degrees when Dario Franchitti crossed the finish line, one degree shy of a record for race day. But don't tell the tens of thousands who baked as they watched from metal bleachers.
        How hard is it to accurately declare a record temperature? I'm pretty sure 2010 was allegedly a record temp for the race (as stated that day)... Then in the prerace reporting this year we hear the record was set in 1930 something (and no mention of 2010)... Then during the race it is reported the 2012 race has set the record for hottest race. Now the Star is reporting we fell a degree shy of the record. LOL....
        Last edited by Bball; 05-28-2012, 02:47 PM.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #5
          Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

          Are you tellling me there are no good looking women to photograph out there??? No wonder I havent been to the track in 30 years.
          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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            Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

            Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
            Are you tellling me there are no good looking women to photograph out there??? No wonder I havent been to the track in 30 years.
            There are beautiful women to be found 365 days a year.... but only 1 day to see Indycars running the Indy 500.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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              Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

              Did anyone realize that the 3 Indycar drivers that were pall bearers at Dan Wheldon's funeral were Dario Franchitti, Scott Dixon, and Tony Kanaan? They finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at this year's Indy 500.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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                Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                I was rooting for TK all day. He raced the wheels off that car, and they had good pit strategy and he was always in the top 15 but he just didn't have the car to win. He always seemed to gain 3/4 spots on the restarts (which were CRAZY GO NUTS!) until the one that really mattered. No one could really hold onto the lead for very long at the end.
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                  Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                  Nice slo mo of the pass as seen from the outside of the track at turn one...

                  http://www.twitvid.com/NKLWS
                  http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                  "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                    hmmmmm???
                    Randy Bernard
                    ‎#INDYCAR @indycar it is true that an owner is calling others trying to get me fired. I have had several owners confirm this. disappointing
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                      JMV and Miller were talking about this yesterday. Miller says its a Chevy owner. My money would be on Penske (even though he has denied it).

                      EDIT: Randy says its not Penske. I don't think it'd be Michael since Indycar is letting him promote races..... Special Ed?
                      Last edited by Sandman21; 05-30-2012, 07:54 AM.
                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                        No worries. He's solid, as long as he want's to be there, per the people that matter. Nobody is ratting on who want's him out, yet...
                        http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                        "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                          Well, we know its apparently not Chip and its definitely not Penske per Randy himself. All we know is that it is a Chevy owner.....
                          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                            Its not Ed. Thank goodness. (possibly his co-owner though?)

                            Ed Carpenter ‏@edcarpenter20
                            For those accusing me of being a conspirator, I am not the one talking and creating this story. Who is? Just because Robin says its so?
                            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bball's 2012 Indy 500 Pics and Comments

                              If it's not Andretti and it's not Carpenter then my money would lean towards Barnes. And that is just a WAG based on him being a Chevy team, not having a good May, and not sure of his opinion of Turbogate. ...And him being John Barnes who does have a bit of a rep.

                              We know Penske wasn't happy about Turbogate, made no secret of it, but allegedly it's not Penske and so I think that would also mean it's not Jay Penske. I think Andretti has had good things to say about RB in the past but I suppose that could change. The only reason I'd suspect Carpenter would be the TG connection.... otherwise I wouldn't have suspected him at all. And he says it's not him.

                              I guess I'm more curious what the problem is (turbogate, or is it something else entirely?) than surprised there would be some infighting in Indycar.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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