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The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

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  • #46
    Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

    Why are there so many assumptions here that Fesenko can/will be the backup C? Did he really marvel that much in his <10 mins?

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    • #47
      Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      I see 2 ways to proceed.

      1.You obtain Eric Gordon in a sign and trade with out giving up Hibbert, West, and Granger. I think it has to be a sign and trade because NO is going to want something otherwise they will just match. You can then keep Hill as your point,
      2.You sign Goran Dragic, Then you have to decide between Hill or DC. you still need an athletic 4.

      Keep Fez as the back up Center, sign or draft an athletic 4 who rebounds. If there is room left, get a knock down 3pt sniper. I'd bring Lou back as well but as our 3rd big energy guy.

      Gordon is a gamble but he is the type of half court player we need, and is obtainable as I don't think NO really wants to pay him, nor does he really want to be there.
      I know its a long train but I am on the Eric Gordon train. He sat almost a full year and didn't seem like he forced his return to the court. Hopefully he is 100% and rested for next year.

      Somehow if we are able to sign him without NO matching would obviously be the best possible situation, but i doubt they let him walk. Assuming NO doesn't match we are signing an automatic starter at the 2 and have a legit 6th man in PG who can sub in at the 2 or 3 giving us very dynamic lineup options.

      If the sign and trade is the only possible way to bring him home I don't know what his fair value is when you take into consideration his injuries. Injury free he is one of the best 2 guards in the league, but obviously he is injury prone.

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      • #48
        Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

        Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
        Why are there so many assumptions here that Fesenko can/will be the backup C? Did he really marvel that much in his <10 mins?
        I think its more about what he did in Utah for 3 years. He was very serviceable back up big, and after seeing an undersized player filling that Gap for a season. 7ft 280lbs looks pretty damn good for 15-20 minutes a game.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • #49
          Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

          I think the biggest thing is our mindset and experience, yeah we can upgrade the point but I don't think it will have a ridiculous amount of change. We have to become more physical as a team especially in the playoffs, and we have to build more chemistry hopefully more of this will come when we have the offseason.

          ECF might be hard, I think 76ers and NY will be right there with us next year, and we still have the Bulls and the Heat to worry about, it will be a tough road no matter what.
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • #50
            Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

            Originally posted by Really? View Post
            I think the biggest thing is our mindset and experience, yeah we can upgrade the point but I don't think it will have a ridiculous amount of change. We have to become more physical as a team especially in the playoffs, and we have to build more chemistry hopefully more of this will come when we have the offseason.

            ECF might be hard, I think 76ers and NY will be right there with us next year, and we still have the Bulls and the Heat to worry about, it will be a tough road no matter what.
            Which is why we might have to take the gamble on Gordon, because all the other teams in a really deep Eastern Conference are looking to improve. So we need to improve exponentially.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • #51
              Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

              Techniquely the off season started for the Pacers the second after the loss. There are 25 teams now in their off season who could make trades, but it never happens until draft time.

              It's also not going to happen until Bird makes his decision to stay or go. If Bird stays, I'm sure he has players he's interested acquiring for the Pacers. W/o a doubt, he's been thinking of players to upgrade this team for some time. It'll be interesting to see who he has in mind. Hopefully, Chucker Crawford isn't one of them.

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              • #52
                Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                Which is why we might have to take the gamble on Gordon, because all the other teams in a really deep Eastern Conference are looking to improve. So we need to improve exponentially.
                Not sure that Gordon will be a exponential improvement, I think he has potential to be real good, but the price that he will cost might not be worth the gamble. Not only will we have to worry about his injury past, but we will then have to worry about money and resigning other people. I think this is something management is currently thinking about, I would not be surprised if they put a offer in for him, I just wonder how high they will go.
                Why so SERIOUS

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                • #53
                  Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                  In addition to a pure passing PG, it would be nice to get a shotblocking big on our bench. Outside of Hibbert, no one on our roster really protects the rim, and the likes of LeBron, Wade, and Rose aren't going to go away anytime soon.

                  Also, I don't see anyway the Pacers let George Hill walk unless he gets an absolutely ridiculous offer, you don't give up someone like Kawhi Leonard for a one year rental.

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                  • #54
                    Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                    Of course it doesn't mean anything but this stuff keeps getting thrown out there. From last night...

                    Shaun Powell: Just saw Indy native Eric Gordon in the building. Evidently checking out where he's gonna play next season. Twitter
                    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                    • #55
                      Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                      Gee wiz those of us who are against us signing Gordon need to be more vocal. The kid is great but simply cannot stay healthy.


                      Carmel HS Class of 2011

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                      • #56
                        Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        If we go into next season with Andre Miller as our starting point guard, I am not going to be pleased.
                        I'm not going to be pleased either but like I said before Andre Miller has Larry Bird written all over him, he is an older veteran that he can get for 10mil a year for two years like West.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #57
                          Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                          Yeah, I think Fes is going to be back:

                          Indiana Pacers ‏@Pacers

                          As Larry Bird walked on the elevator to leave, he yelled "Love ya Fez" to @KyryloFesenko as Fesenko interviewed with http://Pacers.com.
                          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                          • #58
                            Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                            pacers have to get gordon. he can attack the rim like nobody else on the roster.

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                            • #59
                              I think the core is much smaller than others think. Hibbert / West / George is a quality starting front court. IMO, you start there and add what you need to compliment them - a starting PG that can run an offense and feed the post, a SG that can attack the rim, and an athletic defensive big man that can backup both Roy and West. Everyone else - including Granger - is expendable.


                              Thoughts / reasons:

                              - I'm not an advocate of building a balanced, starless team. I've disagreed with the direction of the team for many, many years. I'm desperately afraid that the Pacers will never really challenge with the current group. They made great progress this year, but unless they can add Williams, I don't see enough talent to be a championship level team without major changes (more than I'm advocating now). After they pay a couple of their free agents, I'm afraid they will become the Atlanta Hawks. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what they can do about it at this point. My off season goals are based on maximizing this balanced type team- even though I really believe the foundation we have is "fools gold".

                              -The team desperately needs a player that can attack the rim off the dribble. George's handle and passing is nowhere near dependable enough for SG, IMO. Will it improve? Of course. But it is several years away from being at even an average level for SG. It's not just an offseason away. I'm honestly not convinced he will ever get to the level he needs to be paired with Danny. They both like the jumper way to much for my taste. Paul is cheaper, younger, bigger, and more athletic than Danny - so the choice between the two is easy.

                              - Neither Collison nor Hill are starting caliber PGs. Either would be fine as a backup. I'd prefer Hill, but this will likely be dictated by money.

                              - Tyler is not what this team needs as a backup big, IMO. West and Hill provide enough post scoring, but neither is particularly mobile / athletic. That exposes the Pacers D in the PNR. Barring foul trouble, the team should always have one of those two players on the court. If you have one primary backup big he will play nearly as many minutes as the two starters. I think that is much more effective than having two mediocre backup bigs playing - often together.

                              - If the team could land D Williams, an attacking SG becomes less of a priority. You could plug him in to the existing starting lineup and be set ( still need the 3rd big). I doubt that is a realistic option though.

                              - It may seem like I'm advocating a DG for Gordon swap, but I'm not. I also wouldn't rule it out. Skill wise Gordon, IMO, is a better fit for the team than Danny. However, his injury history, possible salary demands, and RFA status make him a risky move. I have no problem with teams taking calculated risks. In fact I believe them absolutely necessary. There is just not enough info known yet to advocate that specific move.

                              - For the bench, I'd prefer 3 versatile guys that regularly play instead or a "platoon" type system. I'd prefer to mix and match a couple bench players with the starters. Barring special circumstances, the pacers should have 2 - 3 starters on the floor at all times.

                              - PG play becomes more critical on a balanced starless team, IMO. The pacers do not have the luxury of having exceptional individual efforts bail them out. IMO, the pacers struggles against the Heat are more related to their lack of true PG play than any other single factor. Someone to control the tempo and execute the offense is a must.
                              Last edited by rm1369; 05-25-2012, 03:53 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Re: The Official Off-season 2012 Thread

                                If we go for the likes of Williams as PG, I can see maybe a S&T involving Hill. I just don't see the Nets letting him walk like that (he is restricted, right?). We do need a more passing-oriented PG badly.

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