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2012 Indiana Fever Thread

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  • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

    Unbelievable how the game changed after Reeve got that tech. To go up 2-0 in a best of 5 would have been huge... nevertheless, we can't dwell on it. We have much to learn from this game. We got punched in the mouth and didn't deliver any hits back. We failed to adapt to the physicality.

    We need to dictate the game from the tip on Friday. And if we're down to 6, that crowd needs to be our 7th.
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    • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

      So ticked off we won't be able to make it tonight. Be loud and proud for us and we'll be there to pick it up on Sunday (hopefully for the Fever clincher).
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

        I want this team to win it all in the worst way...but at some point you have to be realistic. The Fever are simply running out of players. I don't know how any team losing its second leading scorer and one of its top reserves can possibly take two more against a team that was already more talented to begin with.


        The starters are going to have to play 35+ minutes for the Fever to have any chance at this rate, even at home. It sucks because the franchise has worked so hard to reach this point. Not that the Lynx haven't, but the Fever built their team from the ground up, unlike the New York's and Houston's and LA's of the world that were given championship rosters when the league first began. The Fever were one win away in 2009 but couldn't clinch at home and had to watch Phoenix win a second title. Will the same thing happen here? I don't know. I'm going to try not to be too upset if the Fever don't win it, but it won't be easy.

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        • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

          Fever are about to make a ground breaking announcement. Streaming it live at 3 pm.
          http://www.wnba.com/fever/news/fever...nt_splash.html

          A major, groundbreaking business announcement surrounding the Indiana Fever will be made at 3:00 p.m. in the Indiana University Health Entry Pavilion. The press conference will be streamed live right here on FeverBasketball.com.

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          • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

            New ownership group?


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            • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              New ownership group?
              Doubt that. Maybe they're selling sponsorship patches on their uniforms.

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              • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                Don't they already do that?


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                • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Don't they already do that?
                  Don't know. But it seems like a good day to add a new sponsor.

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                    Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                    Don't know. But it seems like a good day to add a new sponsor.
                    You were right. Finish Line will be marquee sponsor next year.


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                    • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                      Things are getting a bit more testy...Dunn responds to Reeves' coat throwing gamesmanship with some of her own.

                      http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/8...actions-game-2

                      INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana coach Lin Dunn criticized the coach of the Minnesota Lynx on Thursday, accusing her of a "lack of respect" for an outburst that seemed to spur the Lynx to a win in the WNBA Finals.

                      Dunn said she wasn't amused by Minnesota coach Cheryl Reeve's meltdown on Wednesday night. Ignited by Reeve's technical foul and subsequent jacket toss, Minnesota turned up the intensity in the second half to pull away for an 83-71 win in Game 2 to even the series at one game apiece. Game 3 is in Indianapolis on Friday.

                      Dunn said she thought Reeve should have been ejected because the wildest part of the tantrum came after the technical.

                      "I guess the thing that concerns me is that after she got her first technical, then she proceeded to take her jacket off, throw her jacket," Dunn said. "In my opinion, that should have been reason for a second technical and removal, and they (the officials) did not do that, and of course, she was able to incite the crowd.

                      "There's no doubt in my mind that her behavior after the first technical warranted ejection, and I was very disappointed that the officials allowed her to in some ways, you know, just kind of a lack of respect for the game and lack of respect for them. I was disappointed in the whole affair."

                      After Minnesota's Lindsay Whalen tied Wednesday's game at 48 with a reverse layup, Minnesota's Maya Moore picked up her third foul on the other end. After Whalen's layup was blocked by Briann January, Minnesota's frustrations came out.

                      Whalen was issued a technical foul for complaining about the no-call by official Michael Price, then Price gave Reeve one, too. Reeve took her suit coat off and threw it so hard that she hurt her right shoulder and said she needed to see a trainer after the game.

                      Reeve wasn't available to reporters in Indianapolis on Thursday. Minnesota's Taj McWilliams-Franklin said her coach knew what she was doing.

                      "She wanted to light a fire under us," she said. "She wanted to light a fire under the refs and everything else and the fans and energize us, which is what she did. She's very calculating in everything she does. You all think she's out of control but she's not, by far."

                      Indiana forward Tamika Catchings, who scored 27 points in Game 2, said Reeve's tactics worked.

                      "I think she was just trying to get her team fired up, and she did a good job in that moment," Catchings said. "It seemed like after that, they really picked it up as a team and all of them played a little more motivated, a lot more physical from that point on."
                      Catchings said her team failed to realize the importance of what was happening and didn't respond well.

                      "For us, we have to use that as a learning curve, too," she said. "I should have pulled everybody over and said, 'Now, they're going to start going at us, they're going to start attacking us."

                      Dunn also took exception to Reeve's halftime speech, during which she directed her players to use their elbows in the second half.
                      "When you go to the basket, I want an elbow out," Reeve said in a speech that was televised. "I want them to collapse their arms on you because you're sticking an elbow in their chest."

                      Dunn learned of the speech after the game and was shocked.

                      "I've never heard a coach say that publicly before -- lead with your elbow, they're not calling it."

                      Both January and Shavonte Zellous had concussions during a game at Minnesota late in the regular season. Now, Dunn wonders if there was intent behind the hits.

                      "I guess the thing that sticks in my mind now is I look back to those two concussions we had in the game up there that we played in the regular season, and it makes me think, hey, maybe that was attributed to that because that's how they teach their players to play, which I consider very dangerous and shouldn't be part of our game," she said.

                      Dunn said Minnesota's elbows and Reeve's outburst didn't cost Indiana Wednesday's game. The Fever were outrebounded 32-20, committed 24 turnovers and let Seimone Augustus score 23 of her 27 points in the second half.

                      "Just do your job, box out better, don't give so many second-chance points, take care of the basketball and you win the ballgame," Dunn said. "So that's what we're focusing on tomorrow night, is doing the little things like that better."

                      Indiana guard Katie Douglas isn't sure if she will play. The Fever's No. 2 scorer sprained her left ankle in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference finals and missed both Game 1 and Game 2 of the Finals. Douglas said she's dealing with pain and instability and doesn't know how effective she will be if she plays. Indiana reserve guard Jeanette Pohlen left Wednesday's game with an injured left knee. Dunn said she doesn't expect Pohlen to play Friday.

                      Minnesota is at full strength and feeling good after playing its style of game and winning Wednesday.

                      "I think for us, the vet team that we have, we can't dwell on anything," McWilliams-Franklin said. "It's about sharpening what we do well, which is what we did. We are a fast breaking team, set up second, and I think we pushed it at them. We were up and aggressive and doing the things that Minnesota Lynx always do."
                      Last edited by gummy; 10-19-2012, 03:26 PM.
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                      • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                        I want the crowds at the Bank to be blood thirsty. I'll stack Indiana bball fans up against Minny bball fans any day and win every time.


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                        • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                          Glad I got my Catchings jersey before we became the "Finish Lines". I'm not totally opposed to advertising on jerseys - was OK with the Boost Mobile thing. But I hate that it has to replace the team name/city/state. Blarg.
                          "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

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                          • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            I want the crowds at the Bank to be blood thirsty.
                            No worries about that......

                            ESPECIALLY since the previously ruled out Katie Douglas is warming up at the Fieldhouse......
                            Last edited by Sandman21; 10-19-2012, 04:04 PM.
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                              Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                              No worries about that......

                              ESPECIALLY since the previously ruled out Katie Douglas is warming up at the Fieldhouse......
                              Really? Interesting. I wonder if she can really go, or if this is to fake-out Minny...how does she look?
                              "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                              "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

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                              • Re: 2012 Indiana Fever Thread

                                Originally posted by gummy View Post
                                Glad I got my Catchings jersey before we became the "Finish Lines". I'm not totally opposed to advertising on jerseys - was OK with the Boost Mobile thing. But I hate that it has to replace the team name/city/state. Blarg.
                                It's not the best thing to see on Jerseys, but it's a really great thing for the WNBA. I hope Katie can go, if she could give 10/15 minutes that would help keep Erin/January/and Zellous from being exhausted.

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