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    San Antonio Spurs' Gregg Popovich is the NBA Coach of the Year - ESPN

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    SAN ANTONIO -- Gregg Popovich can't win like the old days. No longer can the San Antonio Spurs simply feed Tim Duncan the ball, let their defense do the rest and ride that game plan to NBA championships.

    But the new way Popovich has them winning isn't bad, either.

    That acknowledgment came Tuesday when Popovich was honored as the NBA's Coach of the Year after leading San Antonio to 50 wins and the No. 1 seed in the Western Conference. The Spurs defied naysayers who have written them off as too old since their last title in 2007 and did so in a lockout-shortened season that tested every coach when it came to managing minutes and finding practice time.

    "If you can draft David Robinson and follow that up with Tim Duncan, that's a couple of decades of very, very possible success unless you just screw it up," Popovich said. "So it's hard to take credit when circumstances have gone your way so consistently."

    Popovich also won the award in 2003 when San Antonio won its second of four championships, and he might be headed for a fifth ring if the Spurs keep this up. They're doing it partly thanks to a supporting cast of rookies and former NBA no-names that Popovich has turned into a surprise frontrunner.

    He whipped them into winners quickly. After a bumpy 12-9 start, the Spurs lost just seven more games the rest of the season.

    "Pop has done a terrific job molding a mix of experience and inexperience," Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said.

    Popovich received 77 first-place votes. Chicago coach Tom Thibodeau was second (27), Indiana coach Frank Vogel was third (7) and Memphis coach Lionel Hollins was fourth (6). Boston's Doc Rivers and Denver's George Karl each received a vote.

    The Spurs practiced Tuesday before the NBA made the afternoon announcement. All-Star Tony Parker, who might be having the most complete season of his career, later tweeted congratulations to the only NBA coach he's ever known.

    Not that Popovich, one of the NBA's most famously mercurial and colorful coaches for 16 seasons, is likely to be found on social media.

    "Well deserved!!!" Parker wrote.

    "The thing about Pop, he's a great example for our profession," Thibodeau told ESPNChicago.com "I'm happy for him, they've had a great season, the way he runs an organization, you can't say enough about him. The thing I really admire about him is I had an opportunity to meet him 20 years ago and he's the same guy today that he was then.

    "All the success, the championships, he has not changed one bit. Great humility, great coach, great executive, so I'm happy for him."

    The season loomed as one of Popovich's toughest projects yet. Besides Duncan, 36, and Manu Ginobili, 34, growing another year older, the Spurs started the year with much of the same roster that fell in the first round to the up-and-coming Grizzlies last spring.

    But Popovich, who is also team president, looked in unlikely places to keep San Antonio's championship window from shutting. Although he typically keeps rookies on a short leash, Popovich put forward Kawhi Leonard in the starting lineup by midseason and has kept him there for the playoffs. Swingman Danny Green, who the Spurs have previously cut multiple times, found his way into the starting lineup and emerged as a surprise offensive spark.

    Popovich also steered the Spurs through what has typically been a death knell for them in recent years: injuries to their Big Three. Ginobili missed nearly half the season after breaking his hand, yet San Antonio still kept winning without their playmaking guard.

    Popovich was aggressive as ever in keeping his stars healthy. He willingly surrendered 11-game winning streaks twice by playing without Duncan, Parker and Ginobili to avoid wear and tear. When he didn't play them in Portland, a disgruntled fan chided Popovich in a letter for denying his family the chance to see three of the NBA's biggest stars in person.

    Popovich wrote the fan back. He understood, "but I have a different priority, a different responsibility. That rules for me."

    Duncan has said that kind of decision-making has made this Popovich's best coaching season yet.

    Popovich deflected the praise.

    "Timmy just wants to get minutes," Popovich said. "He's just trying to ingratiate himself."

    Popovich has a record of 847-399 since 1996, making him the league's longest tenured coach with the same team. He is one of only five coaches with four or more NBA championships, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, John Kundla and Red Auerbach, whom the Coach of the Year award is named after.

    Thibodeau was last year's winner and made a case to repeat. The Bulls tied the Spurs with an NBA-best 50 wins even with reigning MVP Derrick Rose hampered by injuries all season.

    "I don't pay any attention to that stuff," Thibodeau told ESPNChicago.com "To me, I just worry about coaching our team, doing my job. Pop deserved it, he did a great job, there's a number of other guys that did a great job as well. That stuff I'm not concerned with."
    Popovich On Top


    San Antonio's Gregg
    Popovich won his second
    NBA Coach of the Year
    award Tuesday, edging
    Chicago's Tom Thibodeau
    and Indiana's Frank Vogel
    for the honor.


    Coach 1st Points
    Gregg Popovich, Spurs 77 467
    Tom Thibodeau, Bulls 27 315
    Frank Vogel, Pacers 7 161
    Lionel Hollins, Grizzlies 6 50
    Doc Rivers, Celtics 1 26
    Scott Brooks, Thunder 0 9
    Tyrone Corbin, Jazz 0 9
    George Karl, Nuggets 1 7
    Mike Brown, Lakers 0 4
    Stan Van Gundy, Magic 0 4
    Larry Drew, Hawks 0 3
    Monty Williams, Hornets 0 3
    V. Del Negro, Clippers 0 2
    Kevin McHale, Rockets 0 2
    Alvin Gentry, Suns 0 1
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    I can't argue with Popovich getting COTY at all.
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    Not at all arguing. He deserved it. Way to go, Popp!
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    I can't argue with Popovich getting COTY at all.
    I can, Pop has Hall of Fame players on his roster, the same roster he had last year for the most part. They had the #1 seed last year too. So he wins based off continued excellence? He even admits that basically they can't defend anymore at a high level so they just score more. So they are the phoenix suns circa 2007?

    Vogel posted a 20+ win improvement from last year's record in a shortened season no less to get the 3rd seed, and 5th best record in the league. The accomplishment speaks for itself.
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    Pop certainly deserved to be named Coach of the Year.

    Actually, this whole voting feels right. Pops and Thibs are the best 2 so they were bound to be 1 and 2 but it's nice to see that both Frank and Lionel Hollins got some love and were mentioned. You cannot argue with Doc and Karl getting a vote either.

    All in all, I agree with all of this.

    I am happy that Frank was in the talk

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    I can, Pop has Hall of Fame players on his roster, the same roster he had last year for the most part. They had the #1 seed last year too. So he wins based off continued excellence? He even admits that basically they can't defend anymore at a high level so they just score more. So they are the phoenix suns circa 2007?

    Vogel posted a 20+ win improvement from last year's record in a shortened season no less to get the 3rd seed, and 5th best record in the league. The accomplishment speaks for itself.
    I agree, but I do think Pop winning this award is more of a "career achievement" award. And I don't have a problem with that.

    But, if Frank had done what he did in Indiana, in say, New York..or Chicago..or LA..a more visible team, he would have won it.

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    Would have loved to seen Frank win it but I have no problem with Popovich winning it...well deserved.

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    I can, Pop has Hall of Fame players on his roster, the same roster he had last year for the most part. They had the #1 seed last year too. So he wins based off continued excellence? He even admits that basically they can't defend anymore at a high level so they just score more. So they are the phoenix suns circa 2007?

    Vogel posted a 20+ win improvement from last year's record in a shortened season no less to get the 3rd seed, and 5th best record in the league. The accomplishment speaks for itself.
    Again I ask how many Spurs games do you watch? Green, Leonard, 2 rookie starters by the way, Diaw, Jackson, Mills, lost T.J. Ford half way through the season, pushed Parker to step his game up to another level, Won the West by his bench winning the last two games that he didn't even have to coach. Oh, and one HOF'er missed the first half of the season yet they still had the best record. He did give Thibs and Vogal props and was honored to win over them.

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    Well-deserved for Pop. He's just the best in the business right now, and I'm surprised he didn't get all 1st-place votes. Also, I'm proud and happy for Coach Vogel to be recognized as the 3rd-best coach. I know one day, he'll win one.

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    Again I ask how many Spurs games do you watch? Green, Leonard, 2 rookie starters by the way, Diaw, Jackson, Mills, lost T.J. Ford half way through the season, pushed Parker to step his game up to another level, Won the West by his bench winning the last two games that he didn't even have to coach. Oh, and one HOF'er missed the first half of the season yet they still had the best record. He did give Thibs and Vogal props and was honored to win over them.
    Exactly....

    Frank did a wonderful job this year. Third place is proper recognition for such.

    But theres no way he is coach of the year. Theres no way hes a better coach than either of the two guys above him nor did he do a better job than either one of them.

    Tell you what. Heres how you know and you need go no further than this. Ten seconds to go. Your team has the ball and the game is on the line. Pop and Thibs teams likely get a good shot and very possibly score. Franks team may or may not get the ball in bounds, let alone a decent shot.

    Fantastic job this year and is to be commended. Hes learned alot and hopefully will continue to do so. Because hes still got a lot to learn. To even be in the same breath as Pop and Thibs is truly an honor and an accomplishment. But to say he did a better job than them is just plain homerism and nothing more.

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    The voting used a 5 - 3 - 1 format. Here's the complete breakdown:

    Coach 1st 2nd 3rd Points

    Pop 77 24 10 467

    Thibs 27 53 21 315

    Vogel 7 27 45 161

    Hollins 6 3 11 50

    Doc 1 4 9 26

    The rest are below 10.

    Let's add the votes and see how many people voted for each coach:

    Pop: 111 people

    Thibs: 101 people

    Vogel: 79 people

    Hollins: 20 people

    Doc: 14 people

    So, it's safe to say that people considered Vogel closer to the Pop - Thibs group than the Hollins - Doc group. He was the most popular pick as 3rd, the 2nd most popular pick for 2nd and the 3rd most popular pick for 1st. That proves that he was heavily in the talk.

    And I'm happy about that. His work was recognized. It's safe to say that he is not in the Pop / Thibs level yet but being in the same sentence with them is great for young (and essentially a rookie) coach.

    Rejoice, Pacer fans. Frank was not ignored

    Oh and here is the link with that breakdown -> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nba&id=7878415

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    Theres no way hes a better coach than either of the two guys above him
    Maybe not, but it is Coach of the Year, not Best Coach of the Year.

    Neither coach had a bigger mountain to climb than Vogel. To say they both did a better job, is not taking into consideration situation in which case Vogel by far was in the toughest situation. To say Vogel is a better coach would be homerism, but to say Vogel didn't deserve to win COY shows a lack of understanding of why it isn't called BCOY.

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    Why did Monty Williams get 3 votes?
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    Maybe not, but it is Coach of the Year, not Best Coach of the Year.

    Neither coach had a bigger mountain to climb than Vogel. To say they both did a better job, is not taking into consideration situation in which case Vogel by far was in the toughest situation. To say Vogel is a better coach would be homerism, but to say Vogel didn't deserve to win COY shows a lack of understanding of why it isn't called BCOY.
    ummmm...in a word...

    NO

    The reason it isnt called Best Coach of the year is because that would be redundant. But it is absolutely the best coach of the year. Which coach did the best job of coaching this year. Seems pretty simple to understand.

    As for noone having a bigger mountain to climb than Vogel....says who? you ? evidently most disagreed with you. And i would also. Like I said, Frank did a great job this year. And is to be commended. But saying he had bigger mountains to climb than Thibs or Pop is much more homerism than actual knowledge of the Bulls and Spurs situations this year. Frank simply carried over alot of what he started last year. Most of the mountains were actually overcome then. And he was given quite a bit to work with. A great group of assistants lead by Brian Shaw. And a number of player additions from Mr. Bird which included David West who was probably far more valuable to this teams success than most any of us will ever realize. And he had no real injury situations to deal with. Unlike Thibs who lost the league MVP for about half a season and still managed to lead his team to the best record in the league. Hell you could make a strong argument for Doc Rivers being above Vogel in the rankings with all that team has been through.

    A little bit of objectivity goes a long way.

    Kudos to Frank and the Pacers for getting some much deserved recognition. 3rd is great and is about as high as it possibly should be. From anyone halfway objective.

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    I am being objective here, I'm just not overlooking the situations like you are.

    The Bulls didn't have the best record last year because of Rose, they had the best record because they had a great team from top to bottom. Even without Rose that team is every bit as complete as the Pacers and has a better bench. To expect them not to succeed even without Rose is underestimating their talent.

    You say Vogel just carried over what he started, but so did Thibs and Pops, but Thibs and Pops didn't start 2/3rds of the way through the season then have an extremely brief training camp. I doubt Vogel has even had the opportunity to install half of what those two were able to install.

    Then you have to consider team changes. The Bulls hardly changed, they added a veteran who is basically a better version of what they already had. Otherwise they had no major changes. The Spurs had some major changes, hell we helped them, but their veteran core was still the same. The Pacers though added 4 major pieces, and with the exception of Granger the core hold overs from last year are still on their rookie contracts.



    Calling it Best Coach of the Year is not redundant at all. It would just limit the pool of who could actually win it to the same few coaches every year. It would be like instead of calling it the MVP award calling it the Best Player of the Year. There is a reason why it is MVP and not BPOY. Calling it MVP extends its reach to players who might not be LeBron James, but mean a lot more to their teams success than LeBron does playing alongside Wade and Bosh. That is the important distinction here. Vogel may not be a better coach than those two, but to say he was less important to this teams success is underestimating the impact Vogel has had.

    I don't know if Vogel should have won over Pop of Thibs, but he was certainly deserving. Deserving to win doesn't always guarantee a win, or mean you deserve to win over the others.

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    I agree with Eleazar. In the recent past, the COY award has usually gone to a coach whose team made a big jump in regular season winning pct. Vogel fits that mold.

    I don't disagree that this year Pop and Thibs should be the top 2 contenders for COY, but it's certainly atypical for this award.

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    I am being objective here, I'm just not overlooking the situations like you are.

    The Bulls didn't have the best record last year because of Rose, they had the best record because they had a great team from top to bottom. Even without Rose that team is every bit as complete as the Pacers and has a better bench. To expect them not to succeed even without Rose is underestimating their talent.

    You say Vogel just carried over what he started, but so did Thibs and Pops, but Thibs and Pops didn't start 2/3rds of the way through the season then have an extremely brief training camp. I doubt Vogel has even had the opportunity to install half of what those two were able to install.

    Then you have to consider team changes. The Bulls hardly changed, they added a veteran who is basically a better version of what they already had. Otherwise they had no major changes. The Spurs had some major changes, hell we helped them, but their veteran core was still the same. The Pacers though added 4 major pieces, and with the exception of Granger the core hold overs from last year are still on their rookie contracts.



    Calling it Best Coach of the Year is not redundant at all. It would just limit the pool of who could actually win it to the same few coaches every year. It would be like instead of calling it the MVP award calling it the Best Player of the Year. There is a reason why it is MVP and not BPOY. Calling it MVP extends its reach to players who might not be LeBron James, but mean a lot more to their teams success than LeBron does playing alongside Wade and Bosh. That is the important distinction here. Vogel may not be a better coach than those two, but to say he was less important to this teams success is underestimating the impact Vogel has had.

    I don't know if Vogel should have won over Pop of Thibs, but he was certainly deserving. Deserving to win doesn't always guarantee a win, or mean you deserve to win over the others.
    Wow.

    You exactly are overlooking the situations. When you say losing Rose-the league MVP-wasnt the reason for the teams success and the team is still good without him. Umm. Hello. Hes the teams leader and was the best player in the league. The team is built around him. He handles the ball the vast majority of the time. How did our team fare when Granger was out? And granger is neither the league mvp or does he play as nearly a major role on the Pacers as Rose does the Bulls. Its just silly to even try to argue that it wasnt a great coaching job to overcome the loss of a league MVP and still lead the team to the best record in the league. And all the voters proved that very thing. And to say that Bulls team without Rose is the most talented team in the league and thus only achieved what they shouldve is just downright ludicrous. And again the voters bore that truth out and recognized what an outstanding job Thibs did. I mean how did the Vogel-coached Pacers fare against the Bulls this year? And the spurs for that matter?

    And as for the argument regarding james and being the best. Well thats likely out the window as well. Because James very likely will win the MVP. And its pretty much like that every year. The best player that year generally wins the award. Its like youre trying to confuse things with abstract comments when in reality its very very simple.

    Frank is very deserving. Just not of being coach of the year. No shame in third. Quite to the contrary. But it wasnt the best coaching job this year. And its pretty obvious to all. To all that are halfway objective, anyway.

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    Whoever voted for Vinny Del Negro isn't very bright.

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    Stan Van Gundy should have gotten a few more votes for having to put up with Howard's crap all season!

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    I agree with Eleazar. In the recent past, the COY award has usually gone to a coach whose team made a big jump in regular season winning pct. Vogel fits that mold.

    I don't disagree that this year Pop and Thibs should be the top 2 contenders for COY, but it's certainly atypical for this award.
    It's a travesmockery!!! I can see both sides of peoples viewpoint. Needless to say Coach Vogel did a great job keep the team motivated and hungry. I don't know if some of the execution problems are coaching or player problems.
    Probably a little of both considering the shortended season and so many new players.
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    Frank should have won because of all the injuries. West out for 10 games, Danny out for 2 weeks, the torn ACL of Hibbert, Hill suspended 5 games..

    Oh wait, the Pacers had a shockingly great season in regards to player availability. By saying Frank had to overcome a mountain it means only ONE THING - you think the players he has stink. Otherwise what obstacle did he overcome?


    I saw all these teams live this year and Pop 100% had the best COACHED team, the best strategy, the highest quality of team play. And the Bulls were 2nd. The Pacers at times were elite, but at other times they become disjointed and wandered around looking for a strategy. Frank is becoming a better coach. Right now he's living on "raw talent", which means he's living on his ability to MOTIVATE and support his players with a lighter level of strategy. When his playbook gets more advanced and he can get players to run a more advanced set of plays, THEN he'll be a strong #1 COY candidate.


    Also IMO apart from those 3 teams you had maybe Memphis playing TEAM ball, maybe a little in Denver. Teams like MIA, LAL, LAC, BOS, ORL...they win on star power working off of simpler plays. Put two stars in a PnRoll and just let them break you down. The Spurs don't do that and neither do the Bulls. They attack, you stop it, they have a backup plan, you rotate to that, they switch into plan C, you shut that down, they go to plan D and "Who's this guy" gets a layup. Even the Pacers don't do that more than 50% of a game, at best. Not that deep.


    The key is Vogel was in the mix. But truth be told HE HAD THE ADVANTAGE over Pop and Tibs when it comes to COY voting - LOW TEAM EXPECTATIONS NATIONALLY. All he had to do was win games to impress people. Pop and Tibs had to crush it and do it with killer basketball to win COY because they were supposed to win. And again Frank had the MOST GAMES AVAILABLE from his top 8.

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    I wouldn't go as far as to say Frank should have won it it, but I certainly would say an argument can be made.

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    I agree, but I do think Pop winning this award is more of a "career achievement" award. And I don't have a problem with that.

    But, if Frank had done what he did in Indiana, in say, New York..or Chicago..or LA..a more visible team, he would have won it.

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    Popovich did an incredible job in SA and I'm glad he won it. The right person got the award. I love that Thibs got second as well, as he did an excellent job as well. I hope some day Vogel can coach on the level of both of those guys.

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    I am really surprised that Thibs didn't win it.. I would have voted for him.. Nonetheless I'm excited Pop won it instead.

    The Spurs are and have been the most underrated team in the league for years now.. Who ever talks about them?

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    Did anyone see the ceremony where the Admiral and Duncan were presenting the trophy to Popovich? Popovich gave more of a "Eh, I got one of these already...anyone want to hold this?" type of reaction.
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