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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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NFL.com on the Colts Draft

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  • #46
    Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

    The meter is pegged again..... The Colts did resign Mathis although I do not know why. If they had not resigned Reggie Wayne, they could have resigned either Tamme or Garcon`

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    • #47
      Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

      Let's get real here, the colts weren't going to win or even challenge for the superbowl this year, even with Peyton healthy. After last season I think its safe to say change was needed, because for the first time our players were exposed for what they are: undersized, and too relient on Peyton to save the day. Peyton could've come back and been great, but it doesn't change the fact that the other positions on the team were in need of replacement. Peyton wanted a chance to WIN, and as a team the colts could not help him do that. It was time for a change.

      Taking luck signals a fresh start, with an apparent change in philosophy as well. We can argue luck vs. Griffin all day, but if we build the rest of the team right, then it won't matter who the qb is, we will always have a chance to win.

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      • #48
        Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

        I don't agree with you. This team was only two years removed from going to a Super Bowl and won the division championship the year before. Bring Peyton back with that same team and he wins ten games or more and probably gets to the playoffs.... The fresh start you are talking about will be years of losing while Peyton will be in the playoffs and working to get back to the Super Bowl.....

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        • #49
          Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

          Mark my words: In 5 years, Robert Griffin will be known as a bust. He is a glorified Troy Smith.
          Senior at the University of Louisville.
          Greenfield ---> The Ville

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          • #50
            Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

            They tried to resign Garcon but he wanted more money than they were prepared to pay so after Garcon signed elsewhere they went to Reggie. The point is that Reggie was a last resort not the first option.

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            • #51
              Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

              Lost in this discussion is any discussion on the odds that Manning is ever 100% again and what the injuries and surgeries might've done to his game. Also, connected to that and factoring in his age, how many more years does Manning have left?

              I wonder what the Broncos would've done if they had the 1st pick this season while Manning was available on the open market? Would they still have signed Manning or would they have chosen Luck?
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #52
                Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                Manning was 100% long before Irsay decided to let him go. He was throwing with zip and velocity in December according to Bill Polian. All of his receivers that worked with him said he was as good as ever. Stokely has been working with him in Denver and he sees the same QB he saw here in Indy. The Broncos might have signed Manning and taken Luck but I doubt it. They feel like they are ready to win right now so a rookie QB isn't what they wanted. They got a good prospect to develop in the second round who might turn out to be the best QB in the entire draft five years from now. I think Peyton has four good years left and probably more than that. This injury is completely healed and he is in no greater danger than any other NFL player of injuring that again. By the time summer workouts start, Peyton will be just like always. He hasn't taken a lot of hard hits in his career compared to other QBs. I think he plays for as long as he feels like playing....

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                • #53
                  Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                  thanks, Archie

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                  • #54
                    Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                    The meter is pegged again..... The Colts did resign Mathis although I do not know why. If they had not resigned Reggie Wayne, they could have resigned either Tamme or Garcon`
                    So you concede that they couldn't resign both Tamme and Garcon?

                    You didn't even realize that Brackett doesn't save you squat this year so I think your plan is based in fantasy and not reality.

                    Do you even know how the Colts got the money to sign Mathis, Wayne and all the new additions via FA? I'll give you a hint.. IT had very little to do with letting go of Clark, Saturday, Addai or Brackett.

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                    • #55
                      Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      Manning was 100% long before Irsay decided to let him go.

                      That's not true at all. Even Manning himself admitted that he still wasn't 100% when he signed with Denver.

                      Has he made significant strides in his recovery? Definitely. Is he going to play in 2012? Clearly. But was he 100% when the Colts released him, as you say? Absolutely not.

                      Look at Manning's comments after he signed with Denver:

                      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...now/53674436/1

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                      Manning still isn't 100% but is encouraged by the progress of his rehab and maintains that he could play if there were a game on Sunday. He is hopeful that he will line up with starters for the first Broncos minicamp in early May.

                      "There's no question I have work to do," Manning said. "I'm not where I want to be. I want to be where I was before I was injured. I know that I need the training staff and the weight staff here to get me where I need to be."
                      Last edited by Sollozzo; 05-07-2012, 09:43 AM.

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                      • #56
                        Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                        Peyton didn't say much for a long time. I was quoting Polian and the receivers he was throwing to. They said he was all the way back in December as did some folks at Duke University. Peyton would never say anything else other than he was recovering. He isn't about to say that he was ready in December but everyone who was watching and catching his passes say that he was. I choose to believe them since Peyton would never say anything that might cause controversy......

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                        • #57
                          Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                          Another point easily refuted by cats?

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                          • #58
                            Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                            Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                            Peyton didn't say much for a long time. I was quoting Polian and the receivers he was throwing to. They said he was all the way back in December as did some folks at Duke University. Peyton would never say anything else other than he was recovering. He isn't about to say that he was ready in December but everyone who was watching and catching his passes say that he was. I choose to believe them since Peyton would never say anything that might cause controversy......

                            They said positive things about him, but whoever said he was "all the way back"? I don't recall anyone making such a definitive statement, though they were certainly saying positive things.

                            Polian's comments:

                            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...t-a-high-level
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                            "It's marked (improvement) from where he was back in September," Polian said. "He threw it accurately, he threw it with a good, tight spiral, and he threw it with velocity.

                            "Generally, he looked like a pretty confident quarterback out there."

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                            Those are certainly positive statements from Polian, but they in no way shape or form say that he was 100%. I'm not trying to get into splitting hairs here, but there is no feasible way that the guy could have been 100% when he was throwing in December. He hadn't played in a game since January 2011 and was laid up for most of that 11 month span because of the injury and surgeries, leaving him unable to throw or workout. If you aren't throwing or lifting weights then there is no feasible way you can keep the massive arm strength that he had when he was playing. It doesn't take a doctor to figure that out. And that's not even mentioning the nerve that had to regenerate.

                            I think Peyton is going to have a very good year this year and I'm glad that he has recovered from this injury. But he most certainly was not 100% when the Colts released him. He was quiet during most of this, but his comments on the day he signed with Denver show that he still had a bit of a way to go.
                            Last edited by Sollozzo; 05-07-2012, 07:53 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                              The other day Peyton was quoted as saying he felt he would be ready for the season. That made me wonder how literally we should take that... Did he mean that this would be a normal summer for him - camp, preseason games, season... Or did he mean camp and preseason could/would be limited but he thinks he'll be ready for the season?
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • #60
                                Re: NFL.com on the Colts Draft

                                Ol Blu is going to be puking crow for years from eating so much. Andrew Luck and the Colts are going to unstoppable this year. This team should win the South and be considered contenders again with the level of talent we have.

                                The Colts are for real again this year. There is going to be some extreme payback for last year. And to top it off we have the easiest schedule in the NFL.

                                I haven't been this excited in years.

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