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    This is a great day to be a Pacer fan.

    We have locked up fifth place in the entire league. We have the third seed in the East. We have enjoyed a great winning season. We are poised to enter the second round of the playoffs, maybe further.

    I would not ridicule anyone for not persevering through the last five years of hell known as Pacerdom. Whether the brawl, five losing seasons, or the madness of JOB, it has been an unmitigated disaster.

    So . . . who of our faithful Pacers Digest members did not weather the storm? I can list two:

    Twes and Putnam.

    Two excellent contributors whose participation I miss very much.

    But, again, I can fault no one for dropping off in the midst of this wilderness. However, I can indeed give major props to every Pacer fan and all the members of this board who have stuck it out through the tough times. I salute you all.
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    Is it too early to read last rights on our fellow admin Chicago J?
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    Default Re: Who amongst us did not survive our five years of hell?

    The funny thing about it is that I was a HUGE Pacers fan during the 94-98 run, slowly tapered off and I wasn't quite as active as a fan during the Finals years and the following successes, but became a very big fan AFTER the brawl and the ensuing crap-fest. I guess it's the Cubs fan in me that loves to root for the underdog, and the Pacers were ultimate underdogs the past few years. But I'm LOVING the success now!

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    The funny thing about it is that I was a HUGE Pacers fan during the 94-98 run, slowly tapered off and I wasn't quite as active as a fan during the Finals years and the following successes, but became a very big fan AFTER the brawl and the ensuing crap-fest. I guess it's the Cubs fan in me that loves to root for the underdog, and the Pacers were ultimate underdogs the past few years. But I'm LOVING the success now!
    I know a guy who is similar to that. Was a Bulls fan back in the day and actually started liking the Pacers in the past 5 years.

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    Didn't Grace drop the Pacers for Milwaukee? That would be 4 counting Chicago J.

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    Is it too early to read last rights on our fellow admin Chicago J?

    I definitely miss his contributions. He peaked in a couple times last year and I think he even mentioned that he came down to Indy for game 4 against Chicago. I was surprised he didn't pop in a couple times this year. Even though he hated Bird the player, he always gave Bird a fair amount of credit as a GM from 08 on. He didn't seem that depressed about the team, I just think he is a really busy guy.

    And you're right, McKeyfan. Everyone who has stuck with the team deserves a salute. 2005-2010 were miserable seasons and yet this still remained one of the best sports forums on the internet. The people who stuck with the team are the the ones who are getting the most joy out of this season.
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    Its great, being the only Pacer fan in this side of the world i get ALOT of heat, but funny enough the only thing they can tell me now is ..you guys are never on cable. Winning is fun, it solves everything. I never post much but I'm always here lurking, I'm extremely excited! Go Pacers

    btw West is quickly becoming my fav pacer. He's a baddddd man!
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    BTW i'll be going to orlando to catch a game, havent decided which one as yet, but any of you guys making the trip?
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    I resented the drive to and from the Fieldhouse starting two seasons ago. It was more like, "Ugh, time to drive up to Indy for the game."

    This year (and the end of last) it was more along the lines of, "OMFG TIME TO DRIVE TO INDY FOR THE GAME!"

    It's been really hard. Especially with the commute I take. (Not to downplay anyone else for that matter.) But when gas is high and your return of investment on your entertainment dollar is low, it wears on you. Not to mention the countless times I got made fun of while I was in college because how bad we were, and the thug image the team had portrayed.

    During the lockout I actually was at a point in my mind where I humored the idea of a complete loss for the season. Even after our playoff series against the Bulls. Even after trading for George Hill. Yeah, I would've been perfectly happy without a season this year. It wasn't until about 12 games in that I was wrong.

    And again, I'm not trying to downplay anyone else's fandom here. For me it was just like I couldn't stop sticking my finger in the light socket. I just hoped at the beginning of each season we would somehow be better than we were the season before. As it turns out eventually it will happen.

    Granted the Pacers are trivial in the grand scheme of things for a lot of people. Me? not so much. I just can't stay away. And for that, I appreciate the bad years. I appreciate Jim O'Brien (to an extent) because without those bad years and him, none of this would be possible.

    I would like to take a quick moment to thank everyone who I've met over the years for sticking with the team as well. It takes patience and dedication like no other to be the kind of folks you are. Thank you, guys.

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    In retrospect, it's scary just how close I came to walking away in the dark days of JoB and Troy Murphy.

    Trading that bum for Collison was like taking a defibrillator to my fandom. Then Vogel kicked it in the rear end!
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    I reverted to lurking for the last few years. Now that I'm graduated and employed, I seem to have lots of free time to lollygag about the internet so I've tried posting here a bit more than never.


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    Definitely just lurked during that time. Didn't even watch games half the time, just came here after and looked at the score. It was not worth watching it on some crappy internet stream on a computer.

    Feels good now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac_Daddy View Post
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    I reverted to lurking for the last few years. Now that I'm graduated and employed, I seem to have lots of free time to lollygag about the internet so I've tried posting here a bit more than never.
    I followed a similar path. I joined PD in November of 04, and quickly became as addicted to the board as I was the game. But, in 06 I got married and in 07 my wife & I had our first baby. As this coincided with some really bad basketball, I became more of a lurker than poster, and more of a box score watcher than game addict.

    Over the last couple years, my life has changed and the Pacers have changed. In the last couple years, I have come back to posting more like I did years ago. And for that, you all are welcome.

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    I can tell you that I was ready to forget about the Pacers completely two seasons ago, it was just to horrible to deal with and like Duke my coworkers would make fun of me when I talked to them about the Pacers, the funny part is that now they are the ones talking to me about the Pacers and how good the team is

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    I may be a n00b as far as membership goes, but I've read here for longer and I feel I can reach this conclusion: You guys rock. Out loud. Be proud for sticking it out through everything this franchise has been through. From the Brawl to Murphleavy to JO'B, this franchise has suffered enough. Now the Pacers are getting theirs, and y'all can tell your kids this: "We were there to see the return of the Pacers."

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    I started watching in 91/92 when primestar came out and had been an avid follower of all things pacers. It was a GREAT time to start watching the pacers because you saw the improvement leading up to the 94 team.

    The JOB era for me was the worst, I felt like yet again we were getting the bad side of Bird as GM bad coach/bad draft picks and between the industry that I had been in for most of my adult life (mortgage/commercial loans) going to hell in a hand-basket the team doing the same was just too much for me to watch. I had gotten my hopes up with the Hibbert draft then had them dashed by the Hansbrough draft and it was just time for a break.

    I assumed that at some point Bird would be fired and things could improve, little did I know Bird would doing the improving. I occasionally would lurk but did not post a lot. When JOB was fired I almost started watching again and I had not known about Paul George (I cant believe I missed his rookie season)

    When I head that we had signed David West my interest really peaked again and I knew I had to at least give this team a chance. How many years did Donnie try and get David West and here he is. So I started watching from the start of the season and was surprised to see Collison on the team (I had wanted them to draft him and not Hansbrough) and George Hill and then watched Paul George play D and I was in love with the team again.

    I cant believe that while I was not watching Bird went from the bottom of the list of GM's to one of the best. The trades and signings he has made this year seemed to put more and more pieces in place without giving up good players in return. Adding Barbosa was a great example of that. He was just what we needed a guy to spread the floor in the 2nd unit and Bird actually went out and got it!!!

    Anyway give the others time I think they will be back.

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    I survived too. I've never had season tickets like a lot of you on here, but still go to around 15 games a season give or take. I'll admit, going to games in January and February were pretty tough the last few years (especially last year pre-vogel).

    Sometimes I questioned just what the hell they were doing. But Bird, to his credit, stuck with his plan and here we are, 3rd in the East going to the playoffs.

    This year I have been invested like none other, only missed watching one game this year, and am still as jacked about this team as I was in January.

    The last 5 years have been tough as hell, but this is making it all worth while. It reminds us of why we are such loyal and crazy fans. Unlike bandwagon jumpers, the taste of success is that much greater after you have endured losing seasons.


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    I think 09-10 was rock bottom for many. That team was freaking horrible, and we had already been watching poor basketball for the previous few seasons. When you have Jim O'Brien coaching the likes of Earl Watson and Troy Murphy in your starting lineup, you know things are bad.

    It's absolutely incredible how far we have come since then. In a mere TWO YEARS, we have added: George, Collison, West, Hill, Lou, and Barbosa. Those last four were added just this season. In the meantime, we have shredded all of the overpaid scrubs who filled up our roster.

    Yeah, Bird should be executive of the year.....
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    I started watching in 91/92 when primestar came out and had been an avid follower of all things pacers. It was a GREAT time to start watching the pacers because you saw the improvement leading up to the 94 team.

    The JOB era for me was the worst, I felt like yet again we were getting the bad side of Bird as GM bad coach/bad draft picks and between the industry that I had been in for most of my adult life (mortgage/commercial loans) going to hell in a hand-basket the team doing the same was just too much for me to watch. I had gotten my hopes up with the Hibbert draft then had them dashed by the Hansbrough draft and it was just time for a break.

    I assumed that at some point Bird would be fired and things could improve, little did I know Bird would doing the improving. I occasionally would lurk but did not post a lot. When JOB was fired I almost started watching again and I had not known about Paul George (I cant believe I missed his rookie season)

    When I head that we had signed David West my interest really peaked again and I knew I had to at least give this team a chance. How many years did Donnie try and get David West and here he is. So I started watching from the start of the season and was surprised to see Collison on the team (I had wanted them to draft him and not Hansbrough) and George Hill and then watched Paul George play D and I was in love with the team again.

    I cant believe that while I was not watching Bird went from the bottom of the list of GM's to one of the best. The trades and signings he has made this year seemed to put more and more pieces in place without giving up good players in return. Adding Barbosa was a great example of that. He was just what we needed a guy to spread the floor in the 2nd unit and Bird actually went out and got it!!!

    Anyway give the others time I think they will be back.

    Good to have you back. I always enjoyed your posts back in the day. Hope you can post some during our playoff run.

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    The sick part, for my side of it, is this has been the hardest season in a while for me to feel totally into or involved with because of my work schedule. I was literally a 3-year season ticker holder (and went to almost every single home game in that stretch) from 2007-08 to 2009-10.

    Think about that.

    So what happens? Last year and this year: I start working nights, I don't go to nearly as many games (this year I think I only went to about 4-6), I'm mostly watching on DVR-delay, and there was a big, fat, disheartening, frustrating, sometimes infuriating lockout in the middle.

    Combining that with my more jaded personality, it's actually been hard this year to get too excited at times, despite all of the success.

    Yes, I'm on board, and no doubt I still got excited over the big wins and as we've racked up the W's into the 40's, but I feel like I've been somewhat numb all year, and that stinks.

    I'm excited for the weekend, though. I remember last year I was feeling this numbness too, but boy did that playoff series wake up my nerves. I'm expecting it to happen again this year, and I can't wait.

    Hopefully I'll not have to make too many of them DVR-delayed. My fear is that with it being the playoffs I'll be unable to avoid being spoiled of the results on nights I work, which would really suck.

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    Jamal Tinsley, Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest made me start to lose interest in the Pacers. They were all cancers on a team. But the thing that turned me off the most was Jim O'Brien. His demeanor, coaching style and unwillingness to develope young players was the end for me.

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    How about PFFL? He used to crack me up - him and his wife (I can't remember what her username was) were great fans through the post finals era. Didn't they almost get into a fight in Philly during the playoffs?

    Writerman was another casualty. I loved arguing with him and used to call him "Bitterman" because of his hate of Artest and how he would always bemoan about how the NBA was so much better back in the days of Oscar, Wilt, and Russell. Ultimately, he was right and I was wrong about Artest but he was still a bitter old man.

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    If it was tough being a fan, imagine what it was to be Jeff Foster...

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    I enjoyed 2008-2009. It wasn't the best basketball but with all those close finishes, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained.

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    For me walking away from the Pacers would have been and would still be walking away from the biggest part of my childhood, if not for the Pacers/IU basketball, basketball in general I guess, my personality would be a lot different. So I could never walk away, but I did start to disconnect. What I mean by that is, I became the classic losing fan, I loved the wins, and was indifferent towards the losses.

    When I was in high school, I would obsess for hours after a Pacers loss, "What could they do different, who could have been subbed in or out, what if a call went this way, what if that shot went in..." I would cause myself lots of sleepless nights and heartburn dissecting Pacers losses in my mind. I stopped doing that for the past 2-3 years. Losses were just losses to me. One after another, they were the same. I still got up for the wins, but I became so numb to the losses (the fact IU was in the shitter didn't help.) But then last year I started to feel it, Game 1 agaisnt the Bulls is when it all came rushing back, we lost of course, but I sat all afternoon stewing about that loss. KNOWING that it was OUR game to win. I was back, I was fully back. Now the losses sting again, they **** me off and I stew for a solid 12-24 hours about each one, but damn it's good to have that feeling back.
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