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4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

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Season Records: (W-L)
41-22
(Home: 22-8)
32-30
(Away: 13-16)
Upcoming Games:
Apr 23
Apr 25
PLAYOFFS
PLAYOFFS
PLAYOFFS
vs vs
7:00 pm
7:00 pm
TBD pm
TBD pm
TBD pm


Projected Starting Lineup:
C
PF
SF
SG
PG
HIBBERT
WEST
GRANGER
GEORGE
HILL
Projected Starting Lineup:
C
PF
SF
SG
PG
VUCEVIC
BRAND
IGUODALA
MEEKS
HOLIDAY


Pacers
Darren Collison, sore groin, out

Sixers



Minimally Relevant Video:


Semi-Relevant Video:


Eight Points, Nine Seconds Preview Review:
Jonathan Auping: Danny Granger vs. Andre Iguodala

The Pacers locked up home-court advantage in the first round, and the
playoffs are on everybody’s mind. But we have plenty of time to talk about
the upcoming postseason (and we will give you plenty of analysis). For
the moment, we’re going to take a little break from the playoff chatter and
do a little old-fashion player to player comparison between Danny Granger
and Andre Iguodala.

The small forward is perhaps the most interesting position in the league
right now. Considered the “three spot,” it fits right in the middle of the
lineup and any given small forward might have a skill set that fits the
description of a shooting guard or a power forward — or both. In the
current NBA landscape there are Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony and Kevin
Durant, and then everybody else. But Danny Granger and Andre Iguodala,
only separated by one draft class, have quietly emerged over the past few
years as two of the most effective and dangerous small forwards in the NBA.

The two young veterans seem to be atop that second tier of their position;
not MVP candidates, but certainly all-star caliber players. They would rank
ahead, in my opinion, of generational peers like Rudy Gay or Luol Deng as
well as aging players like Shawn Marion and, perhaps even Paul Pierce. But
the question is, which one of these two players is better?

Sure, they play the same position. Sure, there is only a two-inch height
difference. Sure, their 2012 salaries are within about one million dollars
of each other and there is only about a nine-month age difference. But the
truth is they are very different players. Iguodala’s game revolves around his
versatility; he is a freak athlete who can rebound, attack the rim, play
defense and pass. Granger, on the other hand, is primarily a scorer whose
shooting ability is his most dangerous threat.

The numbers back this up. Every year that both players have been in the
league (Iguodala was drafted a year before Granger), Granger has averaged
more points per game than his counter part. Even in Granger’s rookie year
(Iguodala’s second season) he put more points on the board than Iguodala
and he averages nearly six more points per game for his career, which is no
small number. In fact, it is the same difference in career points per game
between Kobe Bryant and Michael Redd. While Danny Granger may not be
able to score as proficiently as a Kevin Durant, he can do an adequately job
creating offense on his own and hit bail-out shots late in the shot clock. He’s
a threat to go for 30 points on any given night and the same can not be said
about Andre Iguodala...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s


Depressed Fan

The good news is this game was much more reminiscent of the way the
Sixers played earlier in the season than their recent stretch of hopeless play.
The bad news is that this was reminiscent of their early season play in that
they did everything they could to lose a close game.

The Sixers last two losses (against two very different teams) were examples
of the Sixers producing on the offensive end at a completely unsustainable
level, and not being able to stop their opponents on the defensive end. At
least they're finding new and interesting ways to flush this season down the
toilet.

Here's your rotation chart. Note the end of the third and the beginning of
the fourth:


If you were the type of person who liked to point fingers and needed to come
up with a reason for this loss beyond the obvious (the team is in the worst
kind of tailspin and desperately wishing for this season to end), you probably
wouldn't need to look much further than the lack of rest. Last night, against
Orlando, Doug Collins used an eight-man rotation. Tonight, against the
physical Indiana Pacers, the Sixers rotations on the perimeter were
uncharacteristically...CONTINUE READING AT DEPRESSED FAN
This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

    I hope that Fesenko is going to get more than 10 minutes.

    Of course, I want to win as well but my main desire is to see Fes play
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • #3
      Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

      I feel like if we're going to drop a game unexpectedly, it's this one. Let's hope my instinct is wrong. GO PACERSSSS!!!!!

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      • #4
        Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

        Leggo
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        • #5
          Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

          8m Tim Donahue ‏ @TimDonahue8p9s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
          (Vogel) - (George) gives DC another player he's used to. Unless there are injuries or foul trouble, Dahntay Jones is out of rotation.

          9m Tim Donahue ‏ @TimDonahue8p9s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
          Per Frank Vogel - DC will play tonight, coming off the bench. Paul George will get more mins at the 3 w/ 2nd unit.


          [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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          • #6
            Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

            Good move by coach. I posted a question about shortening the rotations last week. I feel bad for Dante because he's been great all season, but i think it's the right thing to do.

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            • #7
              Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

              While shortening the rotations in the playoffs seems like a totally rational thing to do for most teams............ I honestly think it would hurt the Pacers more than it would "streamline" ....

              Our depth and having 8 guys who could go off for 20 on any given game, I think is crucial to our success... I would go no lower than a 10 man rotation..

              As soon as our starters come out, our bench comes in and the opposing team's bench players have a difficult time with the barrage of depth we have

              Most of our bench could be starters elsewhere..
              "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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              • #8
                Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                Definitely feel bad for DJ if that's how it is going to be now. He did everything we could have (and have) asked of him. He is hitting 3s, playing D, and picking his spots on O, as well as always being a good teammate. There is still a place for him on this team I believe.

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                  Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers






                  Go Pacers!
                  "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                  • #10
                    Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                    how's the crowd looking for this game?
                    "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rock747 View Post
                      how's the crowd looking for this game?
                      It better be full! I tried to get tix today for me and 5 of my friends but we couldn't get any together! Lol

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                      • #12
                        Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                        Does anybody remember when the Pacers beat the Sixers in Philly and it took a while to finish the game because the fans kept throwing trash on the court? I believe it was a playoff game. I always remember it but can never find video of it or anything about it.

                        Btw, someone finally added a better version of the Palace Brawl after the Bucks skirmish. Ben Wallace and their fans were pretty horrible.
                        "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                        • #13
                          Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                          Interesting move. However, I hope that Dahntay is gonna be in the line up for the playoffs.
                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                            If Paul George proves inconsistent, Dahntay will see the floor a bit, I'd think.


                            [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                            • #15
                              Re: 4/21/2012 Game Thread #64: Pacers Vs. Sixers

                              Dahntay has been our most consistent bench player this year, in my opinion, but he is also the least talented of the bunch. I expect we'll see him in the playoffs at one time or another - his aggression is always appreciated.

                              Did you guys know that Doug Collins hit the game-winning free throws in the gold medal game at the 1972 Olympics in Munich?
                              Last edited by LG33; 04-21-2012, 07:09 PM.

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