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Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

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  • #46
    Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

    Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
    I certainly expect that Luck can win 2-3 games if he is as advertised a difference maker. In the offseason between years 1 and 2 the coaches knew that Peyton was going to make it all turn around. Is Luck another Peyton? I'm optimistically looking for 6 wins this year.
    I would bet a lot of money against that but you are being optimistic and there is nothing wrong with that. I think they will struggle to win one game and two would be a miracle. I don't view that as pessimistic but realistic. Rookie QBs with no offensive line and new tight ends and WR won't tear the league up no matter how good they are. RG3 on the other hand will be joining a much better team. I don't expect them to be much more than a game or two over .500 but the Colts won't see that for many years as they continue rebuilding.......

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    • #47
      Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

      Originally posted by Swingman View Post
      won't be as good as last years team for a long time? You do realize last years team stunk and went 2-14 right?

      I can't imagine you actually believe what you're saying. It would take a monumental collapse to not surpass 2-14 this year, let alone for a "long time".
      They had a collapse. They don't have Garcon`, Clark, Tamme, Kelvin Hayden, Bullit, Saturday, Addai or Brackett and you think they are going to be better? They will have to get fortunate to win two games..... That is a lot of talent to lose and replace with rookies and castoffs...... I didn't even mention Blair White or Deim...... You only think they stunk last year. The odor for the next three or four years will drive lots of fans away.... But Irsay is lining is pockets with money saved and still a sellout this year. It won't stay that way...... And to assure you, yes, I really believe this or I wouldn't be saying it. I read what other people say about this team. Want to bet who starts the season ranked 32nd and stays there?

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      • #48
        Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        I would bet a lot of money against that but you are being optimistic and there is nothing wrong with that. I think they will struggle to win one game and two would be a miracle. I don't view that as pessimistic but realistic. Rookie QBs with no offensive line and new tight ends and WR won't tear the league up no matter how good they are. RG3 on the other hand will be joining a much better team. I don't expect them to be much more than a game or two over .500 but the Colts won't see that for many years as they continue rebuilding.......
        We'll just have to see won't we? We won 2 games with one of the most inept QBs. if orlovssky player more we could have won 4 games. The guys who were cut for the most part did not contribute. We lost Garcon who did contribute and Addai whose contributions were mediocre. i can't imagine Luck as worse than Painter. The defense is no worse off with the loss of Brackett and Bullitt. The offense lost Saturday who is getting old but we get back another offensive tackle from the injured list and can insert Pollack into the center spot where he belongs. Dwight was on leave last year for some reason. All the offensive line has ever done is protect the QB so it isn't asking too much for them to continue to do that. This year is just improve on last year and next year we see real improvement having 2 years of very high draft picks. i expect between the draft in the next two years and a friendly cap next year we will have some very good personnel.

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        • #49
          Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
          They had a collapse. They don't have Garcon`, Clark, Tamme, Kelvin Hayden, Bullit, Saturday, Addai or Brackett and you think they are going to be better? They will have to get fortunate to win two games..... That is a lot of talent to lose and replace with rookies and castoffs...... I didn't even mention Blair White or Deim...... You only think they stunk last year. The odor for the next three or four years will drive lots of fans away.... But Irsay is lining is pockets with money saved and still a sellout this year. It won't stay that way...... And to assure you, yes, I really believe this or I wouldn't be saying it. I read what other people say about this team. Want to bet who starts the season ranked 32nd and stays there?
          Clark- injured the past two years and had an insane number of drops last season. In addition he is a terrible blocker. How will he be missed?

          Bullitt- chronic shoulder injury resulting in him missing most of the last two seasons.

          Brackett- played in ONE GAME last year.

          Kelvin Hayden- he was released after the 2010 season. He couldn't stay healthy for THREE seasons after the Colts gave him a nice new contract.

          Saturday- 36 years old and on the downside of his career. His play has not been great the past couple of seasons.

          Tamme- what has he done outside of a 10 game span in 2010 with Manning throwing to him?

          Garcon- yes he is a loss but he was also a sixth round draft pick. He can be replaced.

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          • #50
            Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

            Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
            Clark- injured the past two years and had an insane number of drops last season. In addition he is a terrible blocker. How will he be missed?

            Bullitt- chronic shoulder injury resulting in him missing most of the last two seasons.

            Brackett- played in ONE GAME last year.

            Kelvin Hayden- he was released after the 2010 season. He couldn't stay healthy for THREE seasons after the Colts gave him a nice new contract.

            Saturday- 36 years old and on the downside of his career. His play has not been great the past couple of seasons.

            Tamme- what has he done outside of a 10 game span in 2010 with Manning throwing to him?

            Garcon- yes he is a loss but he was also a sixth round draft pick. He can be replaced.
            Did you notice that Garcon` signed a contract that indicates he is a top ten talent in the NFL. Tamme may be an all star in Denver.... Those injuries are part of the reason the Colts were so bad last year. They won't be any better this year and probably not nearly as good with a rookie at the helm.... Two or less wins, you heard it hear. I would not be surprised to see them go 0-16 hard as that is to do......

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            • #51
              Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

              Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
              We'll just have to see won't we? We won 2 games with one of the most inept QBs. if orlovssky player more we could have won 4 games. The guys who were cut for the most part did not contribute. We lost Garcon who did contribute and Addai whose contributions were mediocre. i can't imagine Luck as worse than Painter. The defense is no worse off with the loss of Brackett and Bullitt. The offense lost Saturday who is getting old but we get back another offensive tackle from the injured list and can insert Pollack into the center spot where he belongs. Dwight was on leave last year for some reason. All the offensive line has ever done is protect the QB so it isn't asking too much for them to continue to do that. This year is just improve on last year and next year we see real improvement having 2 years of very high draft picks. i expect between the draft in the next two years and a friendly cap next year we will have some very good personnel.
              Improve? No way...... They are much worse.....

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              • #52
                Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                If you mean top talent at dropping easy passes, sure.


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                • #53
                  Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                  Originally posted by Coupe View Post
                  If you mean top talent at dropping easy passes, sure.
                  Probably why he got that big contract and refused the Colts offer. Break away speed and he makes great catches to even out the drops. He was easily our best receiver last year and I look for him to post a 1000 yard season this year with RG3 hitting him long......

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                  • #54
                    Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                    Garcon = #2 receiver that got paid like a #1 receiver. We did the right thing letting that guy walk, it was a horrible offer by the 'Skins and we'd be silly to match it.

                    I agreed with *all* of their moves --- except Freeney. He's a 19mill cap hit and a DE of his type is not typical in a 3-4... and they are gonna convert him to a linebacker. It's hard to imagine this is going to work. BUT... I had read that the Colts couldn't move him, so they're gonna wait a year and then rework or move him, and when you view it like that, it's a smart thing to do. They are paying him a ton, he's a lockerroom presence and mentor, and so might as well just use him.
                    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-21-2012, 09:08 PM.
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                    • #55
                      Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                      Garcon = #2 receiver that got paid like a #1 receiver. We did the right thing letting that guy walk, it was a horrible offer by the 'Skins and we'd be silly to match it.

                      I agreed with *all* of their moves --- except Freeney. He's a 19mill cap hit and a DE of his type is not typical in a 3-4... and they are gonna convert him to a linebacker. It's hard to imagine this is going to work. BUT... I had read that the Colts couldn't move him, so they're gonna wait a year and then rework or move him, and when you view it like that, it's a smart thing to do. They are paying him a ton, he's a lockerroom presence and mentor, and so might as well just use him.
                      Well, he was certainly the Colts number one receiver last year and he will be Washington's this year. He had other offers close to what he got......

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                      • #56
                        Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                        He was not certainly their #1 receiver. At best he was tied with Reggie Wayne.

                        I'm just curious, are you a Colts fan? You're awfully pessimistic about them if you are.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                          So losing a bunch of players that barely contributed last year is going to make us worse?

                          There's a very slim chance we'll be worse next year but lets just assume that you're right about next year and we finish 0-16. At that point next year, we'll have some good draft picks again, including another #1 pick. Plus from what I've read, Colts will have quite a bit of cap space to be a player in free agency..much more so than they've been this offseason.

                          Thus, anyone who thinks we'll be that bad for 3-4 years is clearly off their rocker and needs to get some meds pronto.
                          Last edited by Swingman; 04-21-2012, 10:36 PM.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                            Originally posted by Swingman View Post
                            So losing a bunch of players that barely contributed last year is going to make us worse?

                            There's a very slim chance we'll be worse next year but lets just assume that you're right about next year and we finish 0-16. At that point next year, we'll have some good draft picks again, including another #1 pick. Plus from what I've read, Colts will have quite a bit of cap space to be a player in free agency..much more so than they've been this offseason.

                            Thus, anyone who thinks we'll be that bad for 3-4 years is clearly off their rocker and needs to get some meds pronto.
                            It all depends on Luck. If he is the real deal then winning seasons after four or five years is possible. If he gets hurt or is a bust, they could be losers for decade.... What makes you think the Colts will be free agent players?

                            All of the while, the hated Patriots will just keep winning and winning like they always do. The reason is they have better management and they don't have to clear out and become the worst team in NFL every so many years. They trim dead weight as they go and they just keep on winning.... The Colts do not have the front office strength to pull that off......... I hate New England but damn they are well run.......

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                            • #59
                              Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              He was not certainly their #1 receiver. At best he was tied with Reggie Wayne.

                              I'm just curious, are you a Colts fan? You're awfully pessimistic about them if you are.
                              I am a Colts fan and I have been since before they moved to Indy. Wayne wasn't even close to Garcon` last year. I don't know if that is because QBs couldn't see to their left or what. I am pessimistic about the Colts for the next five years or so and longer than that if Luck doesn't stay healthy or turn out to be a star. I would put that at 50/50 or less. I do not appreciate bad management decisions. Why doesn't New England ever have to tear it all down and start over.... They are like that damn rabbit, they just keep winning and winning........ and I hate them........

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                              • #60
                                Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                                IWayne wasn't even close to Garcon` last year. I don't know if that is because QBs couldn't see to their left or what. I am pessimistic about the Colts for the next five years or so and longer than that if Luck doesn't stay healthy or turn out to be a star. I would put that at 50/50 or less. I do not appreciate bad management decisions. Why doesn't New England ever have to tear it all down and start over.... They are like that damn rabbit, they just keep winning and winning........ and I hate them........
                                Wayne had more catches, and more yards than Garcon. What do you mean he "wasn't even close"? Wayne was the #1, Garcon the #2. Garcon had less stats than Wayne. You gotta do your homework and not go on some gut feel, which obviously led you astray.

                                I also disagree that they've made "bad management decisions"... this year. Last 2-3 years? Yes. But not this year with the new front office. They are doing what they need to do.

                                I suggest you change your outlook, lol... it does no good to be negative. You should know that.
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