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  • #16
    Re: Schedule is finally here

    I cant believe the Broncos aren't visiting LOS

    Senior at the University of Louisville.
    Greenfield ---> The Ville

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    • #17
      Re: Schedule is finally here

      Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
      I always thought it was hilarious when people thought it was some sort of money grabbing NFL conspiracy that the Colts and Patriots played every year.
      I don't trust the nfl on who they decide to schedule at home. The pats and the jets on the road is brutal. The colts have winnable games against bad teams at home and have no chance on hard away games.

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      • #18
        Re: Schedule is finally here

        Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
        I don't trust the nfl on who they decide to schedule at home. The pats and the jets on the road is brutal. The colts have winnable games against bad teams at home and have no chance on hard away games.


        The NFL doesn't randomly decide who plays who where. It's all decided by a strict formula and the same methods apply to every team.

        We play the AFC East every three years, meaning that we last played them in 2009. In 2009 we played New England and NYJ here with Buffalo and Miami on the road. This year it flips: Miami and Buffalo here with NE and NYJ on the road, which is the way it was in 2006. In 2015 it will revert back to the way it was in 2009.

        The NFL isn't out to get the Colts with tough road games and easy home games. That's just the way it worked out due to the strict formula that they have been using for years. The day the season ends you know exactly the 8 teams you play at home and the 8 teams you play on the road. The only question is when you will play them.

        We play each NFC division every 4 years, meaning that the last time we played the NFC North was 08. That year we played Chicago and Detroit at home with Green Bay and Minnesota on the road. This year it flips to the way it was in 2004: Green Bay and Minny at home with Chicago and Detroit on the road.

        The reason we know that Denver comes to Lucas next season is because we play the AFC West in 2013. In 2010, we played in Denver, meaning that next year we will play them in Indy. People who are questioning why there is no Indy-Denver match-up this season don't understand how NFL scheduling works. The NFL can't just randomly schedule an Indy-Denver game because it sounds interesting. The reason Manning and Brady played each other every year wasn't because the NFL wanted to see the match-up. It was instead because both teams were always winning their division and division winners always play each other per the scheduling formula.
        Last edited by Sollozzo; 04-18-2012, 10:01 AM.

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        • #19
          Re: Schedule is finally here

          Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
          If we have a good draft, I wouldn't be surprised if we won a few random games that we're supposed to lose. Luck could be more comfortable early on than we think. We're not completely devoid of talent, Reggie Wayne ain't no slouch. And maybe all the Baltimore players on our D will be able to stop someone.

          It's going to be a really fascinating season regardless. I've said it before, but I'll pretty much be rooting for close losses and good experience. I want one more year of sick draft picks to help us turn the corner.
          Yeah, I don't think the draft will have as much affect, most likely anyone out of the 1st 3 draft picks will have little effect this year. Luck will definitely have a big affect on the team, but I think the biggest thing will be the system, and the coaching, and how the players adapt to the new system.

          I do hope that we are able to compete and either make the playoffs which is unlikely, or get a top 5 pick next year.

          8 days away... so excited.
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • #20
            Re: Schedule is finally here

            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            The reason we know that Denver comes to Lucas next season is because we play the AFC West in 2013. In 2010, we played in Denver, meaning that next year we will play them in Indy. People who are questioning why there is no Indy-Denver match-up this season don't understand how NFL scheduling works. The NFL can't just randomly schedule an Indy-Denver game because it sounds interesting. The reason Manning and Brady played each other every year wasn't because the NFL wanted to see the match-up. It was instead because both teams were always winning their division and division winners always play each other per the scheduling formula.
            I get why we don't play Denver but I didn't realize the home games rotated the way they do. Thanks for explaining that.

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            • #21
              Re: Schedule is finally here

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              Yeah, I don't think the draft will have as much affect, most likely anyone out of the 1st 3 draft picks will have little effect this year. Luck will definitely have a big affect on the team, but I think the biggest thing will be the system, and the coaching, and how the players adapt to the new system.

              I do hope that we are able to compete and either make the playoffs which is unlikely, or get a top 5 pick next year.

              8 days away... so excited.
              At best I could see a 8-8 team but it will probably be more like 5-11 team next year. The Jags and Titans are beatable and depending on the Colts run defense I could see them making bigger plays on that side of the ball and winning some games.

              The 4th pick could be a high value pick IMO. Powers was picked up 5 spots before that pick in 2009 and it would be great to get a DB with his talent that late in the draft again this year.

              I know a lot of national media thinks this team has no chance to be competitive but I think the Colts are set up nicely. I mean most of the guys who were cut where also injury prone and old anyway.

              The best part of all these changes is that our own division rivals won't know how to prepare for us like in years past. The Colts are now going to become a run defensive team with a heavy run game. The Jags and the Titans may struggle early on with the Colts new system.
              Last edited by Gamble1; 04-18-2012, 01:26 PM.

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              • #22
                Re: Schedule is finally here

                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                At best I could see a 8-8 team but it will probably be more like 5-11 team next year. The Jags and Titans are beatable and depending on the Colts run defense I could see them making bigger plays on that side of the ball and winning some games.

                The 4th pick could be a high value pick IMO. Powers was picked up 5 spots before that pick in 2009 and it would be great to get a DB with his talent that late in the draft again this year.

                I know a lot of national media thinks this team has no chance to be competitive but I think the Colts are set up nicely. I mean most of the guys who were cut where also injury prone and old anyway.

                The best part of all these changes is that our own division rivals won't know how to prepare for us like in years past. The Colts are now going to become a run defensive team with a heavy run game. The Jags and the Titans may struggle early on with the Colts new system.
                Yeah I think the team that has been put together is decent, especially for what we had to work with, I think the big thing will just be how quickly we can learn the system. I think the biggest thing in the NFL is making small mistakes; these tend to lead to big plays, whether it is a deep td caused because someone is out of position, or a missed gap assignment causing a open hit on someone in the backfield.

                I feel like you get those with a new system and that will be the scale that we are measured on. If we can get past those things I think we will have a good shot at winning more than 5 games this year.

                Also yeah I think the 4th round is kind of hit and miss, as far as getting first year productivity is concerned, but we have did good drafting CB's in the forth with Powers and David, but not as much in other positions.

                Carter, Tamme, and Collie are some of the recent ones.
                Why so SERIOUS

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                • #23
                  Re: Schedule is finally here

                  Originally posted by Really? View Post
                  Yeah I think the team that has been put together is decent, especially for what we had to work with, I think the big thing will just be how quickly we can learn the system. I think the biggest thing in the NFL is making small mistakes; these tend to lead to big plays, whether it is a deep td caused because someone is out of position, or a missed gap assignment causing a open hit on someone in the backfield.

                  I feel like you get those with a new system and that will be the scale that we are measured on. If we can get past those things I think we will have a good shot at winning more than 5 games this year.
                  As far as stopping the run we pretty much have a lot of the guys in place. McKinney and Redding will atleast clog the holes but the LB's may need to come up to speed on the system. Zbikowski is great against the run as well which should hold the LB's mistakes in check.

                  The O-line is going to be full of power. The Colts will average around 6'5 320lb on the line this year and the addition of Satele and McGlynn (voted top 10 dirtiest players last year) will provide a mean streak that the Colts have lacked for awhile now.

                  I like the Colts chances to grind out some games next year but of course I am a bias fan.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Schedule is finally here

                    Anyone who thinks the Colts are going to have another 2-14 season will be in for a pleasant surprise or rude awakening, depending on if they like the Colts or not.

                    Last year the Colts had the worst QB play in the NFL and still managed to lose several games by only a TD or less. Luck is a huge upgrade over Greybeard, PaintCan, and Safety Dan. The new coaching staff is lightyears ahead of Clueless Jim and his posse of morons.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Schedule is finally here

                      Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                      Anyone who thinks the Colts are going to have another 2-14 season will be in for a pleasant surprise or rude awakening, depending on if they like the Colts or not.

                      Last year the Colts had the worst QB play in the NFL and still managed to lose several games by only a TD or less. Luck is a huge upgrade over Greybeard, PaintCan, and Safety Dan. The new coaching staff is lightyears ahead of Clueless Jim and his posse of morons.
                      That is odd. Most experts think they will have trouble winning any games at all. In fact some are predicting that they will have the number one pick three years in a row.... I am a Colts fan but I agree with them. Two or less wins this year... Luck will have to have some Luck to even finish the season. I see him out for the year by mid-season with no protection and no super quick release like Peyton. If he does play the whole year, he will threaten the NFL record for interceptions..... Bleak year coming...

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                      • #26
                        Re: Schedule is finally here

                        Put it to you this way, our defense can't be any worse than it was last year. And our offense can't be any worse than it was last year. We will suck, and we won't win many games, but we won't suck more than last year. So I say at least 2 wins, probably 3-4.
                        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Schedule is finally here

                          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                          That is odd. Most experts think they will have trouble winning any games at all. In fact some are predicting that they will have the number one pick three years in a row.... I am a Colts fan but I agree with them. Two or less wins this year... Luck will have to have some Luck to even finish the season. I see him out for the year by mid-season with no protection and no super quick release like Peyton. If he does play the whole year, he will threaten the NFL record for interceptions..... Bleak year coming...
                          No way Luck throws 30 picks this year. The Colts would have won 7-8 games last season with decent QB play which is what Luck will provide. The coaching staff is much improved as well. The addition of Luck and a competent coaching staff will improve the win total noticeably.

                          Other than Manning, the Colts didn't lose much from last year's team. Addai, Clark, Brackett, Bullitt were either hurt or played poorly and Saturday is over the hill with little left in the tank.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Schedule is finally here

                            OMG let's just hope that no games are nationally televised where the Steelers wear their alternate unis, throwbacks from 1934:





                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • #29
                              Re: Schedule is finally here

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              That is odd. Most experts think they will have trouble winning any games at all. In fact some are predicting that they will have the number one pick three years in a row.... I am a Colts fan but I agree with them. Two or less wins this year... Luck will have to have some Luck to even finish the season. I see him out for the year by mid-season with no protection and no super quick release like Peyton. If he does play the whole year, he will threaten the NFL record for interceptions..... Bleak year coming...
                              Is this the first post with no shade smily? Lol at the luck being hurt by midseason. Did the oline hurt anyone last year?
                              Last edited by Gamble1; 04-19-2012, 11:57 AM.

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                              • #30
                                This is all ridiculous.

                                I dont understand why we try and predict schedules with no set rosters and the draft not having happened.

                                Lets wait to at least see who we have.
                                Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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