You know the Pacers have come a long way when we're debating if David West is overpaid by a couple million dollars (he isn't).
So maybe they didn't have buyers remorse, but they didn't want to buy him. They never intended pay him that huge contract like you did. And all they got out of Nene was JaVale McGee, the biggest joke in the NBA.
I think Karl is gonna calm down his antics. He's an incredibly long, athletic center with good defensive tendencies. Assuming they keep him, their frontcourt of McGee, Faried, Gallinari, either Koufos or Mozgov, and Wilson Chandler? They're gonna be scary.
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I seriously question someone who considers David West's production to be "role player" production, like do you actually understand whats happening on the floor or do you just read box scores?
David West's numbers are consistent with his career numbers, the only difference is his USAGE rate is way down, because he is playing on a team with way more offensive options. This is why he is averaging less points, it really should be fairly simple to understand.
Comparing West with Humphries is a joke, David West would be averaging 20 and 8 on that crappy Nets team. Why are we comparing West to players with no offensive skills? West has the entire package, he's deadly from mid range, he can create his own shot in the post. If all you are seeing with West is "12 points a game" you aren't paying attention.
West's production means a lot more than 12 and 6, and I'm not even talking about leadership, hes a legitimate offensive threat. He changes the way teams play you, they have to account for him. Nobody has to do that for Humphries. Any NBA GM would realize this, and realize he's well worth his contract right now.
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I do understand that West has brought an invaluable asset to this team with his leadership (kind of like Foster for so many years or- again, Dale Davis). I understand he's worth that short contract that has indirectly lead to a 40 win season.
Doesn't mean we can't appreciate him for exactly who he is going forward after this season.
For instance: West has never been a great rebounder. Leading to games like this last one in which he grabbed only 3 rebounds leading to us getting beat on the boards.
He's not "deadly" from mid-range. He's got a decent job shot, but it is off and on. It's not always a good weapon.
It might be fair to say he's average on defense, or maybe more accurate to say he can play decent defense as long as he matches up well, but as both a shorter, and slow PF in general, it's not uncommon for him to be a very bad matchup on defense for us.
This is who West is: someone who cannot be counted on to win the rebound battle every night: A decent offensive weapon, but you're highly overrating him to consider him a consistent strong offensive weapon.
The reason he scored as many points as he did, was he had Chris Paul. You have a great point guard, as a pick and pop type of player you're going to score a lot of points. That's why Deron Williams was able to trick everyone into thinking Boozer was actually good at basketball.
West is good, but if this team wants to actually beat either OKC or Miami, they'll need someone on this team with some true offensive fire power. West is not that. Even Granger is not that. So you have to cut costs somewhere right?/
You can't give everyone on the team 10 million a year. If Granger deserves it, and Roy deserves what, 9/yr?? Then there's a 15-18m a year contract we have to use on someone who can lead us to the NBA finals. West isn't that guy.
He's much older, he can't log the minutes he once could, he can't score like he did.. It is what he is. His value has gone down. Doesn't mean I don't mind this short 20m/2yr contract. That was perfect. But after that? If he won't accept less per year, I hope we let him go. Because he'll be in the way of this team signing someone good enough to take us to the next level.
Last edited by mattie; 04-17-2012 at 09:54 PM.
I'm going to nominate mattie for must improved poster of next year, great post mattie.
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Too many of you value players based solely on their stats.
Stop quoting people I have on ignore!
Wow...I'm a little surprised more people don't think he's worth more. He's playing like an all-star PF and 10M/year for that is a bargain. JMHO.
Oops. I see this was prior to the tear he has been on. I would have probably a different opinion as well awhile ago.
Er...could you not put it that way?
I thought he was just kicking it into another gear for the playoffs, but this also seems to be about finally gaining full confidence in his knee (see: http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...ght=david+west). I expect that next year during the regular season his usage rate will go up a bit, as will his stats across the board as compared to this year.
Way too premature to be thinking about what his next contract will look like for me. I'm content to see how these seasons play out.
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By the way I'm loving what West is bringing against Orlando and I'm one of the people that wants to give him the ball more but let's not go crazy.
edit: I don't even know what I was thinking in saying that Danny proved me wrong, he is actually proving me right so far with his horrible performance against the Orlando scrubs, I guess I should do the same thing you are doing and bump the Melo/Danny thread to see what people think now.
Last edited by vnzla81; 05-07-2012 at 08:21 PM.
I thought West was worth 10 mil and no more based on his play during the season but he's been excellent the past 10 games or so averaging like 21pts-9rebs-2.5asts-1stl. That changes his value completely if he plays like that all the time. Glad he's doing it when it counts.
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