Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 54

Thread: Flopping

  1. #1
    Go Paytherth! rel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Atlanta
    Age
    25
    Posts
    1,821

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Flopping

    I saw a thread about this in RealGM bringing up JVG's rant during the Heat/Knicks game...

    But I wanted to know what you guys thought about it as I value PD's opinion over RealGM's x1000.

    I'm on Jeff's side that the NBA should at least implement some type of punishment/fine for flopping as it really is hurting the integrity of the game. Flops could maybe be treated similarly to a foul/flagrant/technicals since they are as much of a subjective call as those are. If not that, even reviewing footage after games and fining players for obvious flops. I honestly don't know what would be the correct solution and wanted to bring it up here and see what everyone here thought.

    Anyways, here's Van Gundy's rant during the game...

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rel For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    I have a Member xBulletproof's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    4,671

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    The problem with it, is how do you prove someone was flopping? How can you honestly say they weren't possibly knocked off balance somehow?

    You're just asking for chants of favoritism and collusion by people who make everything a conspiracy theory.

  4. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to xBulletproof For This Useful Post:


  5. #3
    Born ready? TheDavisBrothers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Davenport, IA
    Age
    24
    Posts
    1,478
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    There is no way in hell you can go through and determine what is a flop or not...

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to TheDavisBrothers For This Useful Post:


  7. #4
    RING THE BELL! Sandman21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Area55
    Posts
    6,359

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    Thats no rant.... that's a meltdown man.....
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "
    Want your own "Just Say No to Kamen" from @mkroeger pic? http://twitpic.com/a3hmca

  8. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Sandman21 For This Useful Post:


  9. #5
    All Hail CJ Watson! Nuntius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Somewhere in Southern Europe
    Posts
    19,041

    Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    It depends on the definition of flopping.

    Some people even consider taking charges to be a flop.

  10. #6
    Member Pingu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Age
    29
    Posts
    2,245

    Default Re: Flopping

    A posteriori fining obvious flops sounds good to me. Calling these in-game seems a lot harder as you can fall down as a result of contact with another player without the other player committing a foul and without flopping (losing balance just happens).

    I guess the right in-game call on a flop should be a no-call, or a foul against the flopper if he trips the 'flopee' while flopping.

  11. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Pingu For This Useful Post:


  12. #7
    Go Paytherth! rel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Atlanta
    Age
    25
    Posts
    1,821

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by xBulletproof View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    The problem with it, is how do you prove someone was flopping? How can you honestly say they weren't possibly knocked off balance somehow?

    You're just asking for chants of favoritism and collusion by people who make everything a conspiracy theory.
    I mean, couldn't you say the same for a flagrant? How do you know his main intention wasn't going for the ball.

    I feel like there are some cases where it's COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that some guy flopped. There doesn't necessarily have to be a crack down for every single possible flop but for the cases that some guy falls down holding and eye as if he was elbowed when the replay clearly shows the wind apparently knocked him over...fines/punishments could be handed out

  13. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to rel For This Useful Post:


  14. #8
    Member Pingu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Age
    29
    Posts
    2,245

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by rel View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I mean, couldn't you say the same for a flagrant? How do you know his main intention wasn't going for the ball.

    I feel like there are some cases where it's COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that some guy flopped. There doesn't necessarily have to be a crack down for every single possible flop but for the cases that some guy falls down holding and eye as if he was elbowed when the replay clearly shows the wind apparently knocked him over...fines/punishments could be handed out
    I agree. The fact that there are borderline cases shouldn't prevent the NBA from punishing clear-cut cases of flopping.

    edit: I mean, as much as I dislike Boozer and the Bulls, Bosh should have been fined for this:

    Last edited by Pingu; 04-15-2012 at 10:03 PM.

  15. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Pingu For This Useful Post:


  16. #9
    Go Paytherth! rel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Atlanta
    Age
    25
    Posts
    1,821

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    and if anything, the idea that you could later be fined some chunk of change for a flop may make someone at least think twice about doing it and instead just man up, take contact, and play on

  17. The Following User Says Thank You to rel For This Useful Post:


  18. #10
    Member Pingu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Age
    29
    Posts
    2,245

    Default Re: Flopping

    As an element of comparison, flopping is punished by a yellow card in soccer (I know, it's hard to believe), as least in Europe. That would be the equivalent of a technical foul in the NBA. The introduction of this rule did, I think, contribute to reduce flopping.

  19. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Pingu For This Useful Post:


  20. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    274

    Default Re: Flopping

    On a side note... James traveled around the 1:20 mark in the first vid before the foul.

  21. The Following User Says Thank You to JEM For This Useful Post:


  22. #12
    George Hill Apologist mattie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Age
    28
    Posts
    2,521

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    As an element of comparison, flopping is punished by a yellow card in soccer (I know, it's hard to believe), as least in Europe. That would be the equivalent of a technical foul in the NBA. The introduction of this rule did, I think, contribute to reduce flopping.
    That sells me right there. I mean if it works already in a professional league, means it should work for the NBA as well right?

  23. #13
    Member PR07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    4,962

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    I actually don't mind it. Offensive players are already at a huge advantage with the no hand checking these days. If you take away the flop, it's just another tool that the defense can't work with.

  24. #14
    Member aamcguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    West Lafayette
    Age
    23
    Posts
    2,541

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    I like the idea of fines in a heavily increasing manner for obvious ones. I absolutely HATE flopping. And I don't have any problem with van Gundy going off like that. Somebody needs to do it, even if it's just a play by play analyzer.

    A rate of increase like:

    10k - 25k - 50k - 100k ... stop at a rate of 5% of the player's total salary.

    No calls in-game for flopping, but team officials are allowed to submit individual plays for review. If there's reasonable doubt it was a flop, don't charge it.

    I think the worst at it is Jose Barea. He doesn't even play defense, he just runs with his guy flinging his head back repeatedly until he either shoots, passes the ball, or a foul is called.

  25. The Following User Says Thank You to aamcguy For This Useful Post:


  26. #15
    George Hill Apologist mattie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Age
    28
    Posts
    2,521

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by PR07 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I actually don't mind it. Offensive players are already at a huge advantage with the no hand checking these days. If you take away the flop, it's just another tool that the defense can't work with.
    Offense flops too though. They throw their hands in the air and flop knowing they have no chance to make the basket, so they can get a trip to the foul line.

    Remember the anger at Wade for his performance during the 2006(?) Finals?

  27. #16
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    There is no way in hell you can go through and determine what is a flop or not...
    If it was that clear-cut, how would we know flops exist to begin with?

  28. The Following User Says Thank You to Hicks For This Useful Post:


  29. #17
    .
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    52,583

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by rel View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    and if anything, the idea that you could later be fined some chunk of change for a flop may make someone at least think twice about doing it and instead just man up, take contact, and play on
    Especially if you were to risk a suspension if you rack up too many flops. Like how it works with techs and flagrants.

  30. The Following User Says Thank You to Hicks For This Useful Post:

    rel

  31. #18
    Member LoneGranger33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Age
    28
    Posts
    17,401

    Default Re: Flopping

    I just wish players (Derrick Rose) wouldn't flail so violently whenever contact is made. One of these days he's going to get whiplash from a lay-up attempt.

  32. #19
    Go Paytherth! rel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Atlanta
    Age
    25
    Posts
    1,821

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by PR07 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I actually don't mind it. Offensive players are already at a huge advantage with the no hand checking these days. If you take away the flop, it's just another tool that the defense can't work with.
    I'd definitely say there is more flopping on the offensive side so that doesn't really help your case.

    Also, I think flopping just adds more fire to the whole superstar call (when it comes to fouls). The players that flop the most are the ones that know they can get away with it and have a call go their way...

  33. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rel For This Useful Post:


  34. #20
    Born ready? TheDavisBrothers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Davenport, IA
    Age
    24
    Posts
    1,478
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    If it was that clear-cut, how would we know flops exist to begin with?
    I suppose it's not 100% clear cut, but I just see it as way to hard to judge, and with pretty much every case can you really call it a flop beyond a reasonable doubt?

    It's just way to subjective, even more so then flagrants IMO...

    The 2 videos by MiaDragon right above (or below, depending on your settings) me, show that flopping odviously does indeed exist, but 99.9% of cases are not gonna be nearly as easy to judge...
    Last edited by TheDavisBrothers; 04-15-2012 at 11:05 PM.

  35. #21
    Member MiaDragon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Miami
    Posts
    1,657

    Default Re: Flopping


  36. The Following User Says Thank You to MiaDragon For This Useful Post:


  37. #22
    Member MiaDragon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Miami
    Posts
    1,657

    Default Re: Flopping



    Flopping sucks/

  38. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to MiaDragon For This Useful Post:


  39. #23
    Member BoomBaby31's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles (Marina del Rey)
    Posts
    1,958

    Default Re: Flopping

    Jeff Van Gundy was an alright coach but I think he's an awesome comentator.

    Second note: My boy Reggie Taught JJ that

  40. #24
    Member PR07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    4,962

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by rel View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I'd definitely say there is more flopping on the offensive side so that doesn't really help your case.

    Also, I think flopping just adds more fire to the whole superstar call (when it comes to fouls). The players that flop the most are the ones that know they can get away with it and have a call go their way...
    Flailing isn't the same as flopping. Reggie flailed but he didn't flop.

  41. #25

    Default Re: Flopping

    Quote Originally Posted by MiaDragon View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote


    I actually watched that live on TV. Everybody, even the commentators are laughing so hard when it happened. While it's an obvious flop, throwing a basketball hard in your face really does hurt. So I'll just consider it "delayed reaction" and "overreacting".

Similar Threads

  1. NBA Where flopping happens
    By xtacy in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-25-2011, 04:39 PM
  2. Shaq takes shots at Stan Van Gundy
    By Basketball Fan in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 03-07-2009, 03:44 PM
  3. NBA to implement fines for flopping next season [ESPN]
    By RoboHicks in forum NBA Headlines (RSS Feeds)
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-29-2008, 04:31 AM
  4. Flopping
    By Jose Slaughter in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 04-29-2008, 11:57 AM
  5. Fouls and flopping and blocks
    By Kid Minneapolis in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 05-25-2004, 02:39 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •