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“As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

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  • #1

    “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-dwi...-as-magic-sink

    “Celebrating my boy @peeweekirkland bday tonight,” the tweet read. “I’ll see y’all there.”

    Magic center Dwight Howard was simply letting everyone know about his friend James Kirkland’s birthday celebration—an Orlando bash that is to be co hosted by fellow Atlanta native Josh Smith and will also feature appearances by people named D.J. Young Smitchell, D.J. Nice and BET’s D.J. Q45 (whoever they are).

    The only problem is, the Magic previously told reporters that the reigning NBA Defensive Player of the Year is in Los Angeles seeing a back specialist, which is probably why the tweet was removed from Howard’s timeline. Now it’s important to note, Howard could have agreed to this engagement weeks ago and could potentially skip the event in light of his recent back issues–and there are issues.

    “It’s back spasms, basically, caused by bruising and getting pounded,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said on Thursday, as quoted by Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel.

    “It’s not a disk problem or anything, but anybody who’s been through back problems knows sometimes they resolve more quickly than others,” Van Gundy continued. “We’re heading down the stretch now, so as much as we’d like to get everybody together and have ‘em out there and playing, we’ve also got to get healthy. It’s a tough time.”

    It’s easy to understand the consternation among Magic fans who have seen Howard miss four of the last six games, especially after reading about how precautious the team has been with Howard and his ailing back. (Even Kirkland has a right to complain after Howard’s picture dominated the flier for his birthday)

    Orlando has lost six of its last eight contests and has gone from the third seed to the sixth seed in the East largely because of Howard’s back; so any late-night celebrating on his behalf looks like a slap in the face to the fans and organization (as we mentioned, there is a chance he’s blowing this off). Heck, flying around on an airplane is a lot to ask of someone with a bad back.

    Van Gundy’s claim that Howard had been trying to get him fired is still a fresh wound, and the franchise as a whole had been jumping over itself to prevent its star from opting out of his contract this summer. When Howard decided to stay in Orlando right before the trade deadline, the Magic faithful thought the “Dwightmare” was over.

    Turns out it’s just beginning.

    For the first time in a while, the Orlando Magic go into a home game against the Atlanta Hawks tonight, and they’re not heavily favored. After tormenting the dysfunctional Hawks for years, the Magic have exposed their own infighting, insecurity and lack of direction. Now they’re the Hawks.

    The plan was to keep Howard from leaving, right? So now that he’s on board for this year and next, shouldn’t the team be free to move forward and challenge the Chicago Bulls and Miami HEAT for Eastern Conference supremacy?

    One league scout told HOOPSWORLD, that’s a lost cause.

    “I think the Magic are done,” he said. “That’s not to say that they’ll go out with a whimper, but they are so volatile and I think they’re so broken right now that they’re not a threat in any way.”

    The results speak for themselves. Orlando was 22-12 on Feb. 22nd and have gone 12-12 ever since, losing to such low-level teams as the Charlotte Bobcats, Detroit Pistons and Washington Wizards.

    In Tuesday’s loss to Washington the Magic conceded 24 points and 13 rebounds to Kevin Seraphin and blew an 11-point first-quarter lead by scoring just 12 points in the second frame and yielding 33 in the fourth.

    Without Howard in the middle to keep Washington’s defense from overloading the perimeter, Orlando—the league’s most prolific 3-point shooting team—made just 11 of 35 attempts from beyond the arc and finished the game shooting 36.6% from the field.

    The Magic aren’t in danger of missing the playoffs or anything like that. They have a three-game lead over the 76ers for the sixth spot in the East, which means they could be facing the Indiana Pacers in the first round. As luck would have it, our scout said, that’s probably the best matchup they could have hoped for.

    “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success,” he said. “I’m not going to predict Orlando would beat them, but if I’m Orlando, that’s who I want to play. They’re lined up as well as can be.”

    Still, don’t expect any miracles from a team that has clearly given up on itsel    f.
    Hmmm, I dont like a matchup with Orlando, no matter how dysfunctional they may look right now, but I think last year proved we have the mental fortitude to do well in the playoffs
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    Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

    id rather play a team that has to hit their jump shot to have a shot to win. Not too mention with the exception of Howard, not many other players are going to draw fouls.

    Not to sound disrespectful, but there is a reason why Orlando continues to struggle in the Playoffs. It's a different type of basketball. IMO you have to be a physical team to win, and with the exception of Howard they don't have that.

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    • #3
      Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

      He's right though. I love what the Pacers are doing - we all do - but they aren't there yet. Still some missing pieces.

      You put Deron Williams on this team and no one will argue we aren't built for playoff success. They'll just debate after we crush Chicago if we can beat Miami.

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      • #4
        Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

        I would love to get the Magic in the first round and beat the **** out of them. I can't stand Dwight and his drama. I absolutely think that we can reach the ECF, we're young but we're good.

        PG creates matchup problems for any team we face. Big Roy can matchup with any C in the league as we've seen with Bynum and Howard(first Pacer/Magic game especially).
        Danny has really turned it up this second half and playing like we all knew he could, even giving us more than that. Overall I really like our chances and I will be seriously letdown if we are a first round exit.

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        • #5
          Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

          The Magic just got lucky by hitting threes. Is this guy the Magics scout?

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          • #6
            Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

            All I know is that if we play Orlando Ryan Anderson would look like the NBA MVP, he got our number.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              All I know is that if we play Orlando Ryan Anderson would look like the NBA MVP, he got our number.
              All I know is we need to plant Danny on that guy. It's not like Hedo is some world beater athletically

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              • #8
                Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                I'm not afraid of Orlando. I'm confident over the course of a series Frank will come to the conclusion to single cover dwight and let Roy do his best and just stay home on all of their 3 point shooters. If we do so we should be able to win handily.
                Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                • #9
                  Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                  Orlando lives and dies by the three. If they're hitting, they're tough to beat. If not, they're a pushover.

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                  • #10
                    Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                    Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                    I'm not afraid of Orlando. I'm confident over the course of a series Frank will come to the conclusion to single cover dwight and let Roy do his best and just stay home on all of their 3 point shooters. If we do so we should be able to win handily.
                    I'm also not afraid of the Magic. Dwight can only do so much. The 3 pt. shooters will do more damage.
                    Senior at the University of Louisville.
                    Greenfield ---> The Ville

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                    • #11
                      Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                      Fesenko and Penergraph == Hack-a-Dwight
                      Time for a new sig.

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                      • #12
                        Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                        The Magic have won 6 playoff series the last 4 years, let's not pretend like the system hasn't worked fairly well...
                        Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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                        • #13
                          Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                          Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                          The Magic have won 6 playoff series the last 4 years, let's not pretend like the system hasn't worked fairly well...
                          Dwight Howard.

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                          • #14
                            Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                            Originally posted by GrangerRanger View Post
                            Dwight Howard.
                            gee thanks for providing absolutely nothing. One player does not make a team...
                            Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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                            • #15
                              Re: “As good as Indy has been, I’m just not sold that they’re built for playoff success"

                              Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                              The Magic have won 6 playoff series the last 4 years, let's not pretend like the system hasn't worked fairly well...
                              4 of those happened in the one year they got to the finals, they also had a much better all around team then than they do now. besides that they haven't really had too much success, and their team has gotten progressively less talented and performed worse in the playoffs culminating in an embarassing sweep by the Hawks last year despite having HCA, and the "let Dwight get stats, glue yourself to 3 point shooters" strategy, something we're well equipped to do.

                              Especially since, while Howard certainly has the advantage on Roy, Roy is capable of scoring on him with his length when he's in a rhythm and he can bother Dwight with his size and skill more than all but a very few other 5 men in the league.

                              It would also give the tantalizing prospect of Roy breaking out into real stardom in the eyes of onlookers if he held his own in the series and led us to a win.
                              Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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