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  • #46
    Re: Off-Season PG options

    Originally posted by Really? View Post
    I disagree for a different reason, Deron is very good, but He would hurt our cap way too much, I think it would be harder to build a team with him, not just starters but bench also.

    Dragic gets the ball where it needs to be, plays with a ton of energy, gets a ton of steals, shots good all around, and is not intimidated by anyone from what I have seen.

    Basketball is a team game, and I doubt that it will ever be Deron or bust, that is probably what the Nets thought now look where they are...
    Sorry, I should have clarified my post. I'm saying that I don't mind making a run at DWill....as long as it doesn't cost us any of our core Players....I just don't think that he will come here. Hence the "DWill is great....but most of us don't think that he will come to Indy" line of reasoning.
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    • #47
      Re: Off-Season PG options

      Originally posted by CableKC View Post

      Either way...I don't see why he would pick Portland over Indy if $$$ was equal.


      I would surely hope not. The Pacers have such a better team than Portland. If he felt he wasn't going to be a starter with the Pacers, but Vogel is smarter than that.

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      • #48
        Re: Off-Season PG options

        Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
        It's true though, Watson, Luther Head, West, DJ, old and reliable guys.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #49
          Re: Off-Season PG options

          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
          I do think it is funny some of you are so high on Dragic, considering how similar Collison is in terms of numbers to him this season. Granted, Collison plays 7 mpg on average more than Dragic, but they average the same ppg, the same apg, while Collison rebounds more and is a better free throw shooter and 3 pt shooter.

          Dragic has been hot and had a good game against us and some of you act like he is some long term answer. Sorry, I have to disagree. If you are unsatisfied with Collison I am not sure how you can justify Dragic as being a major upgrade.
          I think it has to do more with wanting a PURE point guard. I can see both sides of the arguement, but AJ Price is the closest thing to a pure PG we have...in reality AJ is a combo guard just like the rest of our guards.

          Collison is not a starting PG on a contender (unless he's with LA or Miami)...it is just that simple. This team has too many combo guards and our starting SG is not really a SG. I think getting rid of one of our combo guards (G. Hill, Collison, Barbosa, Price) in favor of a pure point guard would be a good move for everybody. Our wing players would benefit from a better passing PG. Passing isn't about just making the pass, it's about hitting a guy so he shoots in rhythm. When shooters shoot in rhythm, they then build up confidence which translates to better play on both offense and defense.

          I strongly believe Grangers sub par shooting % early on in this year, was/is a result of not having a solid passer on this squad. Years prior we had Dunleavy/McRoberts who despite all their shortcomings, were excellent passers.

          Is Dragic the answer? Maybe not...but those thinking he may be a better option than Collison aren't out of line. I think on paper they are pretty close, Collison would probably get a better contract if they were both on the FA market at the same time...but Dragic could be a better fit for this team.
          *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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          • #50
            Re: Off-Season PG options

            Originally posted by aamcguy View Post

            To be fair, if Stephenson could hit a jump shot, he could get a quality shot off whenever he wanted and would be a valuable player. He has so many fakes off the dribble it's unbelievable.

            "IF" is the mightest little word in the dictionary.

            Honestly, Stephenson going to another team might be best for his career.

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            • #51
              Re: Off-Season PG options

              Originally posted by DieHard View Post
              Where are you getting this? David West? I know you wanted Nene, but would he have made us a contender? What exactly is a contender? We are looking at home court in the first round after being below .500 for the past several years. Sorry for the mini rant, but I'm curious as to what your expectations are. We will be a factor in the playoffs and have our chance to match up with the best teams in the league. Besides all of that, what is wrong with Andre Miller? If we are looking for a pass first pg, he certainly fits the bill. A veteran, good locker room guy. He's not Deron Williams, but I believe he would improve our team.

              Andre Miller is not a good locker room guy the guy is known to be a cancer and a diva.
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              • #52
                Re: Off-Season PG options

                I'd love to get Dragic, he is a real playmaker. He's showed it many times in the 4th qtr this year. Though lets be honest, we run an offense that doesn't move the ball very well. I'm not sure we'll ever see the show time Pacers.
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                • #53
                  Re: Off-Season PG options

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Andre Miller is not a good locker room guy the guy is known to be a cancer and a diva.
                  I've heard this as well.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Off-Season PG options

                    Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                    I think it has to do more with wanting a PURE point guard. I can see both sides of the arguement, but AJ Price is the closest thing to a pure PG we have...in reality AJ is a combo guard just like the rest of our guards.

                    Collison is not a starting PG on a contender (unless he's with LA or Miami)...it is just that simple. This team has too many combo guards and our starting SG is not really a SG. I think getting rid of one of our combo guards (G. Hill, Collison, Barbosa, Price) in favor of a pure point guard would be a good move for everybody. Our wing players would benefit from a better passing PG. Passing isn't about just making the pass, it's about hitting a guy so he shoots in rhythm. When shooters shoot in rhythm, they then build up confidence which translates to better play on both offense and defense.

                    I strongly believe Grangers sub par shooting % early on in this year, was/is a result of not having a solid passer on this squad. Years prior we had Dunleavy/McRoberts who despite all their shortcomings, were excellent passers.

                    Is Dragic the answer? Maybe not...but those thinking he may be a better option than Collison aren't out of line. I think on paper they are pretty close, Collison would probably get a better contract if they were both on the FA market at the same time...but Dragic could be a better fit for this team.
                    That is fine with me. I want an upgrade at PG, SG, C, PF and SF. I would take upgrades all over the place if I could. I realize a lot of you think PG is the weak link here, and I don't disagree. But too many people fall into "linsanity" type stuff.

                    There is a reason Dragic was a backup. There is a reason Lin was a backup. Don't get me wrong, these types are NBA players, and all NBA players will shine at time. Remember, we were all throwing parties after we acquired DC because he was shining with Chris Paul out. This is the same situation. We can keep chasing the flavor of the month in the league, but at the end of the day getting Dragic will not be a significant upgrade over Collison/Hill.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Off-Season PG options

                      Originally posted by joew8302 View Post

                      There is a reason Dragic was a backup. There is a reason Lin was a backup. Don't get me wrong, these types are NBA players, and all NBA players will shine at time. Remember, we were all throwing parties after we acquired DC because he was shining with Chris Paul out. This is the same situation. We can keep chasing the flavor of the month in the league, but at the end of the day getting Dragic will not be a significant upgrade over Collison/Hill.

                      This is an insane argument. Dragic was a backup because Lowry is actually really really good. He was a back up in Phoenix because Hello....Steve Nash.

                      Look... its simple Dragic will be a full-time starter in this league next season. Do you want him? Or are you content with what DC isn't bringing on a nightly basis.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Off-Season PG options

                        I don't see DWill here next year. And I'd almost bet my house that we will not see him in a Pacer uniform next season. My primary reasons are, and you can choose the one you believe is most accurate:

                        1. DWill simply does not want to come here. He prefers other options.

                        2. The Pacers will not be willing to spend 17M+ for a player, particularly if they already have 3 other players under contract earning 10M+ (Granger, Hibbert, West).

                        3. The Pacers will not even pursue DWill because he has similar offensive preferences as Collison (me first rather than pass first) and therefore is not any better of a fit than Collison.

                        DWill will NOT come to Indy for dollars anywhere near what the Pacers will be willing to pay for him. Period. So, I don't really care how big your jollies are in you fondness of pursuing him, it just isn't going to happen.

                        I really don't see Nash looking for a contract anywhere near the size of his present contract. If Nash chooses to change teams, it will be because he wishes to pursue a championship. He will sign a reasonable contract with someone this off season, although he may get a large contract if he chooses to re-sign with Phoenix.

                        Many have pointed out that Nash is not a good defender and that the Pacers desperately need better defense at the point. Others, and I agree with them, have indicated that the performance you get from Nash on the offensive end more than makes up for his defensive shortcomings.

                        Without getting Nash, I believe the Pacers will look for a seasoned, established, veteran PG. Someone mentioned Miller and he is a possiblity. With Miller you know what you are getting, but is it enough? Dragic is a possibility although the infatuation there is that he continues building on the game he has presented as a starter; so he is not a certainty, but is only a question mark.

                        A player that has not been mentioned in this thread but has been mentioned by me in other threads is Hinrich. And, yes I know I will get blasted by all you young guys. Hiinrich is boring, he is not flashy at all. But he fits. He defends at a very high level, he is fundamentally sound, he is pass first, he can hit the mid-range shot and the perimeter shot. And most important of all, he can be had for very reasonable dollars. With Hinrich, you know what you are going to get every game out. With Hinrich you get a player who has spent his entire career doing everything he is capable of doing to make those around him perform better.

                        If it's not Hinrich, the Pacers will acquire a PG that they perceive to be of this same mold.

                        By the way, don't be too mean with the responses. It's my birthday. Big 6-0.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Off-Season PG options

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                          This is an insane argument. Dragic was a backup because Lowry is actually really really good. He was a back up in Phoenix because Hello....Steve Nash.

                          Look... its simple Dragic will be a full-time starter in this league next season. Do you want him? Or are you content with what DC isn't bringing on a nightly basis.
                          Please. Lowery is a nice PG, but if Dragic is as good as some of you are making him out to be (long term answer) I don't think he would have been playing as few of minutes as he did before Lowery's injury. Heck, Houston was going to bring in 98 year old Derek Fisher for depth. They were never absolutely sold on Dragic.

                          As far as Dragic, no I do not want him. Simply put it would be a lateral move to get rid of Collison or Hill to bring him in. He is the flavor of the month right now, just like Collison was, just like Hill was, just like Lin was. Chasing flavors of the month has ultimaetly left most of you excited when we got it (Collison), but ultimaetly unsatisfied.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Off-Season PG options

                            Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                            Please. Lowery is a nice PG, but if Dragic is as good as some of you are making him out to be (long term answer) I don't think he would have been playing as few of minutes as he did before Lowery's injury. Heck, Houston was going to bring in 98 year old Derek Fisher for depth. They were never absolutely sold on Dragic.
                            The Lakers traded Fisher+1st ( from Dallas ) for Jordan Hill. I assume that for the Rockets that adding Fisher as depth could be one of the motives to making the trade...but the Rockets IMHO were more interested in the 1st round pick than hoping that Fisher would work out.
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                            • #59
                              Re: Off-Season PG options

                              I like Dragic's game better than DC's, but he's no Rondo/DWill/Paul.

                              I also don't buy the "DWill doesn't want to come here" and "DWill is a team destroyer" bits... he was happy in Utah, why not here? From what I've read about the guy, a lot of the stuff said about him really isn't true, he seems to be a good dude.

                              I think DWill will look at the same factors as anyone else --- money, team, family proximity if they don't relocate. We can pay the guy; we have a good team; and if he's wililng to move his family here, then what's wrong with Indiana?

                              It's a good spot for him. He could reach the Finals with this team. All the pieces are here; we just need a top-flight PG to set this team off.

                              I think that DWill and the Pacers would be unwise to *not* consider each other... at least give it a talk. If it doesn't work, then oh well, but it needs to be tried.

                              It seems less and less likely that Rondo will part with Boston, he would also be a top choice for myself. But with Boston currently hitting their stride and likely a good post-season run, he's probly there a while.
                              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-11-2012, 02:15 PM.
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                              • #60
                                Re: Off-Season PG options

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                It's true though, Watson, Luther Head, West, DJ, old and reliable guys.
                                Watson was like 27 when he was here. Luther Head was like 24.

                                DJ was 28 when he signed.

                                West is 31.

                                Nash is older and reliable.

                                I think I know what you are getting at, but again it took such a downer way to say it.

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