This was discussed at the halftime of tonight's Magic/Knicks game
This was discussed at the halftime of tonight's Magic/Knicks game
Keep on grinding those axes, Shaq... it's not like you are supposed to provide actual analysis or anything. Seemed like he was just rehashing the same stupid things he said about SVG six years ago.
I think it turned out perfect for how all of them handled the situation. Howard winds up looking like an ***, SVG will get fired and management will have to watch their team suffer till the mess is settled. The only real losers are the fans... as it always seems to be.
Agreed, and honestly, I rarely feel that badly for coaches that get fired, because for one thing it's an inevitability, and for another they all have pretty awesome salaries.
You would never want to fire Frank Vogel. You'd also like to play beside Roy Hibbert and Danny Granger. In addition, blue and gold is sweet and our money is just as green as their money.
With the Orlando loss tonight they move down to 6th. which means we would face them if the playoffs were today.
Maybe the sixers could move back into 6th. I'd much rather face the sixers or Atlanta.
If I remeber correctly, didn't Shaq have issues with Dwight Howard also. I think it was over Dwight trying to steal Shaq's Superman thing.
Dwight is really turning out to be a huge *****.
At least with some guys you see it coming. He is really trying to be a douche but without the sack to man up to it. Just being a little sneak.
He didn't do himself any favors right around the deadline to exercise his player option for next season, that's for sure. Up until that point I don't think he did much (publicly) that was too out of place. But since then it seems like everything he says has an agenda.
I still really like him though, and I look forward to enjoying his play once this whole mess is figured out. My best guess is that the Magic ride things out next season, and unless they make wholesale improvements to that roster, he'll bolt to Dallas to play with Deron and a settled-in-to-his-role Dirk.
I'm thinking that SVG will be sent packing after the Magic lose in the first round.....the Magic will take offers for Dwight during the off season....if they don't get the offers that they want....their new Coach will see what they can do with the current roster .....figure out that they can't do it with Dwight...then package him for whatever best fits the style of the new coach. Either way....Dwight will not be in a Magic uniform by the 2013 trade deadline.
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As a mediocre Magic fan, I would love nothing less than for SVG to be out. He's a joke (literally, have you heard Dwight's crappy impersonation?). He's not the best coach for Dwight, and if he truly told management that he wanted a different coach, Dwight's nowhere near the wrong. The Magic FO made it obvious that they'd do anything to keep D12 around. Why wouldn't that stem as far as finding a coach who can utilize the pieces they have? Why is that such a bad thing?
It's obvious that there were Pacers who were doing everything to hold themselves back from telling Larry that they wanted O'Voldemort fired. If it had been a situation where we were waiting for Roy or Paul to sign an extension, but one of the main reasons they wouldn't was because of You-Know-Who, then you'd bet your *** they'd be making statements to management.
If Otis Smith wants to keep Dwight around for longer than next season, not only will they have to bring in a new, Phil Jackson-esque coach, but they'll have to shed and trade a lot of the cancerous, useless players on the team. Monta Ellis and Wilson Chandler would have put the Magic in our place in the Eastern standings. I imagine that they'll be trying to shed a lot of salary this offseason to make moves during FA. Otherwise, the Magic are doomed to go nowhere in 2012-13. Of course, that means nothing to me, because, as long as the Magic are playing poorly, the Pacers will be playing better than them. However, if the Magic are playing poorly, Dwight won't be staying around any longer. I feel he's just waiting to see where Deron Williams goes, hence waiving his ETO.
'Twould be nice to get him in the Blue and Gold, though. Especially if Roy p****es out and signs elsewhere this offseason. I don't think he'd do that to us, though, after all that this organization has done to make him feel at home. A one-two punch of Roy and Dwight would be stellar, though. /pipedream
Just my .
As to what planet does a coach do that to his star player? The same planet that he threw that star player under the bus just minutes before hand.
You don't embarrass him to his face? Are you kidding me? So it's better to make the statments and then act all coy and inoccent and walk away leaving the player completely unaware of what was said so you emberrass him that way? That's better?
I'll agree with you 100% on one thing though, Van Gundy didn't say anything of substance at all. But I have a feeling you and I will differ on that meaning.
Also guys in regards to when Satan ruled our realm, yes our players made it very known to management that they did not want him to return. In fact they all but rioted when he was given an extension. That fact was confirmed by none other than Larry Bird at a press conf.
Bob Kravitz told me once that there were several players that were very openly bitter about O'Brien still being here. Now we don't know who (well some of us do) but we know that it wasn't just one and it wasn't just the bench fodder.
Remember at the year end meetings between players and management they will tell the players what they want them to work on over the summer but you can be assured that they ask certain players opinions of certain aspects of the team.
I'm sure that Danny Grangers voice would carry more weight than Jeff Pendegraph's so it would be no suprise to me if Dwight's voice carried a lot of weight with the franchise.
Also before we all cast Howard into the lake of fire let's not forget that NBA good guy and humanitarian Magic Johnson openly got Paul Westhead fired. So Howard would hardly be the first to ask for a coaching change.
For whatever it's worth, three weeks ago I talked to the owner of my bar about my manager and got him fired within 24 hours because I was so sick of how poor he was at his job. He was terrible. I told the owner he had to go, or eventually we would go under. 24 hours later? He was done.
This type of thing is not unique to professional sports.
I can't even talk myself into watching this yet.
SVG said he's known about this the entire season....but he waits until now to come out with it, when his team is nose-diving and he needs to deflect blame. Yep, a straight shooter.
Mike Prada: SVG confirmed to @David Aldridge that he knew all season Dwight wanted him fired. Clearly, was just waiting for right moment to reveal Twitter
I think this entire saga is comical.
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Here's what I learned in this thread. You can be a baby and hold an entire franchise hostage, down to your teammates all the way up to management, and when someone calls you out on your ********, the person doing the calling out is wrong.
How Stan handled the situation might not have been the best course of action, but seriously, do you really expect people to bend over, get screwed without any lube, and just keep their mouth shut while it happens?
Think about that a little bit.
No, if you were the one getting screwed over, you'd be pissed too, and when someone sticks a microphone in your face, why in the world would you defend the person that's ****ing you over?
By focusing on Stan, you completely ignore Dwight, who is the main reason for this entire situation. He's the main reason why this situation has drug out for 2 seasons, and why it's going to drag out for yet another season.
He's a child.
FWIW, my opinion lies somewhere in between what Peck said on page 1 and what Since just said.
The Inside the NBA crew explained the mistake that Stan Van Gundy made better than anyone else in the media has described. Shaq's comments, a man who played for SVG in Miami, gave some very interesting insight on this situation. The best quote, IMO, is from Kenny Smith around the 3:10 mark.
"We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.
If a GM, Team President, or Owner talks to a player and asks him his opinion, that's their right. I'm sure those same people talk to the coach all the time and ask him his opinion about the players too. So the point is that to be a true professional, you keep those discussions behind closed doors or off the record.
SVG was wrong for going to the Media and publicly, on camera at that, throwing Dwight under the bus, especially since Dwight hasn't done the same to him.
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