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    Looks like Evan Turner is back to being mostly irrelevant again. Could it be the 76ers system that is stifling Turner?

    I wonder if the 76ers might be willing to trade him in the offseason. With 1st rounders being more valuable, I wonder if that alone would work.

    Perhaps a 1st and Kobe Jones

    Probably doubtful, but I'd like to try and get him if possible.
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    I don't think it's close
    We'd need to trade one of George, Granger, Hibbert to get him in my opinion.
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    He's a 2nd year player who was the 2nd pick in the draft, and has barely scratched his potential. NO CHANCE

    Let me put it to you this way, that would be like thinking we might trade Paul for a 1st and a bench player
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    I don't think it's close
    We'd need to trade one of George, Granger, Hibbert to get him in my opinion.
    I'm a big fan of Turner, but I'm afraid you're right on this.

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    I'm a big fan of Turner, but I'm afraid you're right on this.
    You might be right, but I would not trade any of those 3 for Turner. I dont think he is going to be that good. Paul George is already better!

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    He's a 2nd year player who was the 2nd pick in the draft, and has barely scratched his potential. NO CHANCE

    Let me put it to you this way, that would be like thinking we might trade Paul for a 1st and a bench player
    Beasley, #2 tons of potential, did not fit the teams system, traded after his 2nd season, lol granted he had problems, but he was traded for 2 2nd round picks, I don't think Turner could be had for that much, but he really does not have a place on that team, if it was a trade that benefited both teams I think it would work.

    Lets say, Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, 2nd for DC, Hibbert, and a 1st would get it done.

    Problem with 76ers is they already have Holliday running the show, and their 2 guard position is way too deep, SF is deep as well. They only thing they really need is a superstar at the 2 position, or a true PF that is young with potential and they will be a top team that can compete for a championship in a couple years without Turner.

    I think they would be more likely to try to trade him if they got someone like Bradley Beal.
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    You might be right, but I would not trade any of those 3 for Turner. I dont think he is going to be that good. Paul George is already better!
    Turner would play the point here I think, not the 2, or would be the 2 but be in control with the ball in his hands the majority of the time on offense, something PG can not do.
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    Turner would play the point here I think, not the 2, or would be the 2 but be in control with the ball in his hands the majority of the time on offense, something PG can not do.
    Whatever he is or would be, I still would never trade Paul George or Roy Hibbert for him. Not even for him and a 1st. He just simply is not that good. Cannot shoot at all.

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    Whatever he is or would be, I still would never trade Paul George or Roy Hibbert for him. Not even for him and a 1st. He just simply is not that good. Cannot shoot at all.
    PG is 45% Tuner is 43%, not that big a difference, If I could get Hawes in a trade also then I would not be too worried about losing Hibbert, I doubt he will ever be consistent.

    Also Turner is a playmaker, a distributor and more of a scorer than a shooter. He won't stretch the floor right now, but he will make the guys around him better, and he has good court vision.

    He can also work on his 3 point shot, will never be a 3 point threat but if he can hit open 3's and start stretching the d, then he will be that much more dangerous.

    Like Rose, westbrook, and holliday did.

    I wouldn't trade PG yet, but he I would consider trading Hibbert.
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    Turner would play the point here I think, not the 2, or would be the 2 but be in control with the ball in his hands the majority of the time on offense, something PG can not do.
    Turner at the point? Won't work out for us, our passing is horrible.
    If we get Turner then I'd want him to play the 2 and George at the 3.
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    PG is 45% Tuner is 43%, not that big a difference, If I could get Hawes in a trade also then I would not be too worried about losing Hibbert, I doubt he will ever be consistent.

    Also Turner is a playmaker, a distributor and more of a scorer than a shooter. He won't stretch the floor right now, but he will make the guys around him better, and he has good court vision.

    He can also work on his 3 point shot, will never be a 3 point threat but if he can hit open 3's and start stretching the d, then he will be that much more dangerous.

    Like Rose, westbrook, and holliday did.

    I wouldn't trade PG yet, but he I would consider trading Hibbert.
    I would only trade Hibbert if it was certain we would have to way over pay for him. His value is much greater than Turner's. Hibbert is an All-Star Center and Turner couldnt start on this team. He isnt very good and some have already labled him a bust.

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    I would only trade Hibbert if it was certain we would have to way over pay for him. His value is much greater than Turner's. Hibbert is an All-Star Center and Turner couldnt start on this team. He isnt very good and some have already labled him a bust.
    For Turner and Hawes I would Hawes started out the season very strong, is also 7'1" and only 23 years of age, him and Turner that is not bad.

    Turner when he has had the chance to play point has been pretty good, it is easy to call a guy a bust when he is not being used correctly in a offense.

    Hawes started out the season as strong and Hibbert, this was before his injury, and in my view and would not really be much of a downgrade a the center position.

    I think Hibbert is good but, I do not think we will get him to cheap either.
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    Beasley, #2 tons of potential, did not fit the teams system, traded after his 2nd season, lol granted he had problems, but he was traded for 2 2nd round picks
    You forgot to mention that it allowed them to sign Lebron James and Chris Bosh. I'm not sure they had the cap space to sign both and if that's the case, think of it as trading Beasley for James or Bosh. That also means their trading partners were limited because they had to find a team with enough cap space to absorb Beasley without sending any salary back.
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    You forgot to mention that it allowed them to sign Lebron James and Chris Bosh. I'm not sure they had the cap space to sign both and if that's the case, think of it as trading Beasley for James or Bosh. That also means their trading partners were limited because they had to find a team with enough cap space to absorb Beasley without sending any salary back.
    His contract was not that bad, they would have been smarter keeping Beasley and just adding Lebron and then having money to put other role players around them, Beasley was only owed 5 mil that season, it is not like it was an atrocious contract or anything.
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    His contract was not that bad, they would have been smarter keeping Beasley and just adding Lebron and then having money to put other role players around them, Beasley was only owed 5 mil that season, it is not like it was an atrocious contract or anything.
    They didn't dump him to clear future cap space, they dumped him because there was no other way to sign the big 3 while keeping Beasley. Cap restrictions did not allow it. So the only way was to dump him without taking salary back, and that is why Minny got him for pretty much free.
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    They didn't dump him to clear future cap space, they dumped him because there was no other way to sign the big 3 while keeping Beasley. Cap restrictions did not allow it. So the only way was to dump him without taking salary back, and that is why Minny got him for pretty much free.
    Two things they could have kept him and traded away other guys I believe, the cap for the NBA is what in the 58 million range? Their contracts together were less than 48million at the time, add in Beasley 5 million that puts you at 53 million, they could have even kept Chalmers if they wanted he made less that 4 million, and then signed guys to vet minimums like they did.

    They did not need to do it, but it gave them more flexibility to sign other guys to be around them.

    But I get the point of they did not know exactly where the cap would be so they were desperate and Minny was the winner of the prize, and not likely to happen with the 76ers.
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    Two things they could have kept him and traded away other guys I believe, the cap for the NBA is what in the 58 million range? Their contracts together were less than 48million at the time, add in Beasley 5 million that puts you at 53 million, , and then signed guys to vet minimums like they did.

    They did not need to do it, but it gave them more flexibility to sign other guys to be around them.

    But I get the point of they did not know exactly where the cap would be so they were desperate and Minny was the winner of the prize, and not likely to happen with the 76ers.
    The cap is 58 million now. It was more at the time since it only changed prior to this season. I'm not even sure they had to trade Beasley to sign both, I just thought that was what happened. I could be wrong but if that's the case, they removed him to sign a proven superstar in his place. They might have just got rid of him because they didn't think he would fit with Wade, Lebron and Bosh. Trading a top 10 pick after 2 seasons for a 2nd picks isn't something you'll see again probably. They were just in a weird situation that forced them to give him away.

    Also, what do you mean, "they could have even kept Chalmers if they wanted"? They never got rid of him. He's their starting point guard.
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    Just a point of information...if the heat were in such bad salary cap he'll they wouldn't have signed mike miller to that 21 million dollar contract

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    Just a point of information...if the heat were in such bad salary cap he'll they wouldn't have signed mike miller to that 21 million dollar contract
    Where does an unproven SF/PF fit in with the addition of Bosh/James? There's something to be said for Chalmers currently being the starting point guard. James and Wade are way better and yet they chose him to remain there. Why not make your line up Wade, James, Beasley, Bosh, Anthony? In their situation, they could afford to toss Beasley to the curb. Even the T'wolves tried. This is not the same situation as expecting Evan Turner to be traded for nothing. Show me more top 5 picks that were traded for 2nd round picks in their second season for virtually nothing. The Heat did this because they got Lebron and Bosh. That's the facts of the situation. When you have Wade, Lebron and Bosh, you don't need a guy like Beasley. What does he add? The Heat set up their team the way they did for a reason. How hard is to cover Lebron? He took junk to the championship. Bosh? He took junk to the playoffs. Wade? He won a championship(w/ Shaq). Beasley?... Smokes weed? With all the attention paid to Lebron, Wade and Bosh, a sharp shooter is much more needed than a tweener who will sit behind Lebron and Bosh. Look at the damage Chalmers is doing burying 3's. They pay no mind to Chalmers. Unless Beasley decided to become a 3 point specialist, Heat did exactly what they needed. They threw Beasley in the trash because he contributed nothing to a team that immediately went to the championship in their first season. If the Heat didn't add Lebron and Bosh, they never would have traded their 2nd pick at 20 years old for nothing.
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    The cap is 58 million now. It was more at the time since it only changed prior to this season. I'm not even sure they had to trade Beasley to sign both, I just thought that was what happened. I could be wrong but if that's the case, they removed him to sign a proven superstar in his place. They might have just got rid of him because they didn't think he would fit with Wade, Lebron and Bosh. Trading a top 10 pick after 2 seasons for a 2nd picks isn't something you'll see again probably. They were just in a weird situation that forced them to give him away.

    Also, what do you mean, "they could have even kept Chalmers if they wanted"? They never got rid of him. He's their starting point guard.
    The chalmers thing was in reference to they could have got rid of everyone but Chalmers and Beasley and still signed both, if the cap was lower they would have had to get rid of chalmers to keep beasley.

    Also that is the correct cap for that year, now it is similar as well.

    But I do think that was more a case of his mishaps, and that they thought he would not fit in. My reason for bringing this up in the first place was to say that a #2 could be traded after 2 seasons, specifically if he does not fit the team, same as in the case of Turner. While I doubt that we would be able to put together a package with 2 2nds, I think we could put together a package and not lose too much value in trading for him.
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