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    So can we get Nash next year?

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    Going away from Hibbert really cost us, although Gortat started to defend him more physically. David West was pretty quiet, and we still have trouble getting our big men the basketball where they want it. George Hill and Barbosa have been ineffective lately, but Hans made some good plays.

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    The only thing that needs to be said to describe this game is Steve Nash. He was the difference

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    The only thing that needs to be said to describe this game is Steve Nash. He was the difference
    I sat on the floor for this game and I'm pretty sure the difference in this game were the referees, and I have never been one to make such a claim. Tonight was a very physical game the entire game and the refs let them play but is there an explanation for us being called for 30 fouls and the Suns just 20? We shot 22 FT's, Phoenix shot 37. Gortat is a heck of a player but he should of fouled out with 4:43 left in the fourth. There's a reason this was Frank's first ejection.

    Also, I just got home and haven't checked the boards but I really hope that people on here aren't blaming any one of the players tonight for this loss. That would be sad and wrong since it just wasn't the case tonight.

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    The only thing that needs to be said to describe this game is Steve Nash. He was the difference
    And it wasn't even close.

    I think ALL of Gortats 2 FTA attempts were "assists" from Nash also, meaning that they still got points thanks to a Nash pass but he just didn't get the credit.

    By that count I'd say he was closer to being 100% critical to 30 of their scoring possessions, out of maybe 45 total.



    I'd better never, ever find out that Nash could have been had for a bench player and a 1st. That would have been a massive overvaluation of a late 1st pick.


    What I don't understand is why on that play where we were down 3 Shaw benched Granger and decided to let George create his own 3 point shot (which resulted in an airball). Granger was 3-3 on threes at that point, if your best offensive player is hot why do you bench him when you have a chance to tie the game up?
    I understand you protect Danny's foul situation on defense although Danny had been playing a solid defensive game IMO. But then after the FTs you have 2 20s and a full and you do NOT call timeout to get your scorching hot 3pt man back in the game? Seriously, this isn't even remotely excusable.

    I mean it HAS to be Hill-Paul-Danny at that point. Maybe you go small at PF and only use West or Roy, but Danny is at least playing "PF" on that offensive possession.

    If they didn't have timeouts then okay...but they did.



    It's funny because Vogel was right to be mad about the jump ball call (Frye instead of Nash jumping) but in the end it cost them 1 point, the Pacers still won the jump and then Vogel wasn't out there to run the final possessions.


    Bird shook his head as Vogel went down the tunnel. It was hard to tell if it was because of Vogel's action or the refs call.




    Also what is the deal with the lower Paul PT. Paul is still making mistakes for sure; has trouble with protecting his dribble, etc. But PAUL is the reason why they were able to start defending Gortat. It was Paul who rotated under Gortat on what would have been another easy 2 at the rim and knocked the ball loose.

    Paul started disrupting or breaking up plays all over the place when he returned in the 2nd half and was a big reason why they salvaged a shot at the game. But why did it have to get to that point?

    DC and Barbosa are NOT more valuable to the Pacers than Paul George. For every mistake he makes 2 critical defensive plays that break up a possession or slow it down enough to give the team a shot at defending it (like turning away a dribble penetration, no steal or block but the easy shot is prevented).



    The staff and the players themselves better start figuring out where their bread is buttered because if they keep relying on the wrong plans or the wrong players it's only going to get worse.

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    Paul started disrupting or breaking up plays all over the place when he returned in the 2nd half and was a big reason why they salvaged a shot at the game. But why did it have to get to that point?

    DC and Barbosa are NOT more valuable to the Pacers than Paul George. For every mistake he makes 2 critical defensive plays that break up a possession or slow it down enough to give the team a shot at defending it (like turning away a dribble penetration, no steal or block but the easy shot is prevented).

    Because Larry went out and got another shooting guard. And Vogel insists on playing Dahntay Jones.

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    I will never understand how inconsistent and straight up gullible NBA officials are! I just don't get it!

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    The team fought its way back to a seemingly lost game after the 3rd and after Frye hit that 3 with 20 seconds remaining to put us down by 6. In the end, we even had a chance to tie it.

    Yeah, some calls were ambiguous. But que sera sera. Our guys fought. In the end, that's what they will get away from this game. The fire to fight every game and the security that their coach will stand up for them.

    Call me a fool but I'm not sad about this loss. A win would be better for sure but at least the guys did everyting they could for the period I was watching.

    PS: I only watched the 10 last minutes of the 4th.

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    The team fought its way back to a seemingly lost game after the 3rd and after Frye hit that 3 with 20 seconds remaining to put us down by 6. In the end, we even had a chance to tie it.

    Yeah, some calls were ambiguous. But que sera sera. Our guys fought. In the end, that's what they will get away from this game. The fire to fight every game and the security that their coach will stand up for them.

    Call me a fool but I'm not sad about this loss. A win would be better for sure but at least the guys did everyting they could for the period I was watching.

    PS: I only watched the 10 last minutes of the 4th.
    I too am proud of our guys for fighting.

    I would also agree, we shouldn't be "sad" about this loss.

    We should be pissed that when our guys EARNED the right to at the very LEAST take that game to OT, the refs just looked the other way and stole the chance to win it that we EARNED with gutsy play at the end of the game.

    Sickening.

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    I too am proud of our guys for fighting.

    I would also agree, we shouldn't be "sad" about this loss.

    We should be pissed that when our guys EARNED the right to at the very LEAST take that game to OT, the refs just looked the other way and stole the chance to win it that we EARNED with gutsy play at the end of the game.

    Sickening.
    We would have taken it to OT if Frank would have kept his mouth shut. That point ended up being the difference. I'm not ragging on Frank for getting the tech, at the time I think it was the right signal to send and no one can predict the final score. But if Frank would have made a different decision (he knew he was going to get tossed) the whole complexion of the last two minutes may be different.

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    We would have taken it to OT if Frank would have kept his mouth shut. That point ended up being the difference. I'm not ragging on Frank for getting the tech, at the time I think it was the right signal to send and no one can predict the final score. But if Frank would have made a different decision (he knew he was going to get tossed) the whole complexion of the last two minutes may be different.
    Yea absolutely.

    It brings up an interesting question.

    Is it more "beneficial" to the teams chances of winning to AVOID the tech, *OR* to give up the point and light a fire under the teams butt?

    Do we end up having a chance to win at the end without Frank getting tossed? I don't know... It's an interesting theory.

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    We would have taken it to OT if Frank would have kept his mouth shut. That point ended up being the difference. I'm not ragging on Frank for getting the tech, at the time I think it was the right signal to send and no one can predict the final score. But if Frank would have made a different decision (he knew he was going to get tossed) the whole complexion of the last two minutes may be different.
    On the replay I thought it looked like they called it correctly. PG never controlled it individually and called TO. There was a player on the ball before he could gather and get it called.
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    We would have taken it to OT if Frank would have kept his mouth shut. That point ended up being the difference. I'm not ragging on Frank for getting the tech, at the time I think it was the right signal to send and no one can predict the final score. But if Frank would have made a different decision (he knew he was going to get tossed) the whole complexion of the last two minutes may be different.
    There's no way to know that. Maybe him getting tossed fired them up and without that Phoenix would have made a run to strongly close out the game. Who knows? There's no reason to say with such certainty that we could have taken it to OT if Frank had kept his mouth shut.
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    The Pacers are a supremely talented team. But we are lacking one or two things or a combination of both: a floor general and a crisp well-run offense. More needs to be done by Frank to make sure the players are facilitating the latter since we certainly lack the former. Our offense right now looks really gummed up out there. That is the reason why a team with as much talent as we have is losing to .500 teams on our home floor.

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    Reposting this reply of mine from the game thread, because it's exactly my postgame feelings:
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    I am sorry, I know that often times we complain about the lack of fair calls (fans of EVERY team do)

    But this was truly pathetic.

    There were a MINIMUM of 5 no calls on blatant fouls. Tyler got hammered repeatedly near the rim all game. PG's final putback attempt was slashed across the arm. Not to mention Lopez wrestled David West to the ground on the same play.

    Yes, Nash played amazing basketball, and they played well enough to win the game.

    But if we get even a SEMI-fair call from the refs tonight, we win.

    Period.

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    I think Nash was showing Larry where to spend some of that cap space this summer. If you just offer more then the MLE then you have most teams beat. A chance to make a final run at a ring and get paid might be a little more intriguing then what the Heat can offer.

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    I think Nash was showing Larry where to spend some of that cap space this summer. If you just offer more then the MLE then you have most teams beat. A chance to make a final run at a ring and get paid might be a little more intriguing then what the Heat can offer.
    At this point you offer Nash 3/30mil and call it a day.

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    I never put things like this on one moment, but Vogel's technical really hurt us as well. I concur on PG getting hacked on that last one as well.

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    I never put things like this on one moment, but Vogel's technical really hurt us as well. I concur on PG getting hacked on that last one as well.
    It's debatable, but I liked Frank standing up for the team and I think it got us hyped up...

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    It's debatable, but I liked Frank standing up for the team and I think it got us hyped up...
    But ya know, that's twice in what, the last 3 or 4 games, where the score has been 7 points or less and Frank does this. It was mentioned earlier in this thread---the whole complexion of the game would have changed had Frank shown his "support" in other ways. A team within 4-7 points should not need to get hyped up. They were already ramped up. How did Frank actually think he would influence the outcome of the game.

    Now, granted, Brian Shaw called a great final couple of minutes. But if you couple the free throws that the Suns got from those dad-gummed illegal defense calls and the technicals, this team shot itself in the foot. I have said that these calls would catch up with us, and tonight, the 4 points probably would have made the difference.

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    But ya know, that's twice in what, the last 3 or 4 games, where the score has been 7 points or less and Frank does this. It was mentioned earlier in this thread---the whole complexion of the game would have changed had Frank shown his "support" in other ways. A team within 4-7 points should not need to get hyped up. They were already ramped up. How did Frank actually think he would influence the outcome of the game.

    Now, granted, Brian Shaw called a great final couple of minutes. But if you couple the free throws that the Suns got from those dad-gummed illegal defense calls and the technicals, this team shot itself in the foot. I have said that these calls would catch up with us, and tonight, the 4 points probably would have made the difference.
    I thought the complexion of the game changed in a positive way when he got ejected. Remember the Min game when Granger got a cheap shot from Love and it set him off. Of course you would hope that the players are already hyped up about a close game, but I believe stuff like that just adds even more fuel to the fire and really lights that fire under your @$$. I would argue that that gain outweighed the lose of the 1 point...

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    I'll sum this game up real quick: The Suns have Steve Nash. The Pacers do not.
    Here we come lottery?

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    Darren Collison is NOT a point guard. He's a "point guard" who gets a few assists a night and scores a few baskets. Same way with Hill. This team does not have a true point guard, and until they do, they won't go far. Nash finds the open man no matter if it's for a three or a dunk. He finds the open man. Collison does not. Lance does not. Hill does not. AJ does not. This team needs a point guard, desperately.
    Here we come lottery?

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    Yep...Steve Nash. Best player on the court and it showed. End of story.
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    For those complaining about the way the referees called the game, does anyone think a small home crowd translates to less favorable officiating?

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