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  • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

    OK Bob...maybe you should stick to micromanaging the Colts.
    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

      I can see some validity to Bob's comments, but considering he doesn't seem to actually follow racing's nuts and bolts much at all then I will chalk it up to 'even a blind nut finds a squirrel sometimes!'
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

        Busy week and I missed this. Just watched the DVR of the race this afternoon. I noticed the early pace car pull off and figured it was a decision because of the size of the oval and pit entrance... or something. I had no idea the drivers were crying...

        I HATE the old IRL restarts with the leader being in charge of the field and the pace car bailing on the start of last caution lap.

        Just require the cars to pack up and maintain pace car speed until the green flag waves. No acceleration zone needed... Green for the leader is green for the field. To me, that's how it should be. No driver complaining allowed.

        The apology to Dixon confuses me because it looks to me like he was the reason for the wave off at Milwaukee. Instead of saying they were looking at the wrong replay, why not just say they got it right because he blatantly jumped the start and caused the yellow to remain out and so was penalized for it?

        But I digress....

        IndyCar: Drivers want oval restart zone moved back to Turn 4


        IndyCar drivers have asked race director Beaux Barfield to stop restarting oval-track races on the front straightaway even though it has been exciting this season.

        Barfield said Thursday he is considering a change, perhaps in time for Saturday night's Iowa Corn Indy 250 at Iowa Speedway.

        In previous years, the restart zone was in the middle of the fourth corner. The issue came up as a result of Scott Dixon being wrongly penalized for passing on an aborted restart in last weekend's race at the Milwaukee Mile.

        Safety is part of what is driving the request to change; the other is fairness. Drivers in the front row are disadvantaged as trailing competitors lag back to get a jump on them.

        Because those in arrears are up to speed quicker than the front row, cars are often three- and four-wide heading to Turn 1. Remarkably, in some cases, there hasn't been a restart accident in any of the three oval races this season.

        "Everybody back to 20th can just floor it and fan out," Ryan Briscoe said of what happens. "In the past when we had to accelerate in the middle of the corner, everyone had to tiptoe through the corner because you were still turning, so it wouldn't fan out like that.

        "Now, everyone's on the straightaway and everyone just gasses it. It's a mess."

        Tony Kanaan agreed.

        "My opinion, the earlier (you restart), the better it's going to be for everybody," he said. "Right now, the people that get penalized (are the ones) in first and second place because you can time them."

        Kanaan said that's how he made that incredible jump from fifth to first on a restart in last month's Indianapolis 500.

        "What I did at Indy, it wasn't a violation (because) I just knew where they're going to accelerate," he said. "If I'm three rows behind, I can accelerate before them.

        "I'm not passing anybody (too early); I'm still behind the car (in front of me)."

        Barfield said he is open to change because the leaders don't have the momentum to defend what they have earned. He also said it would be easier to officiate.

        Briscoe said it's a matter of time before there's a large accident.

        "I was going down the straight on the last restart (at Milwaukee), and I watched Dixon going down by the pit wall," he said. "Honestly, I was just waiting for a car to go airborne and crash. I'm surprised it didn't happen."

        Barfield doesn't think the current restart zone is unsafe given that the field has been "consistently clean" in Turn 1, but it's something to take into account, he said.
        Engine switching

        Think an engine doesn't make a difference in IndyCar? Ask two veteran drivers.

        Since switching from Lotus to Chevrolet and Honda, respectively, Oriol Servia (Panther DRR) and Alex Tagliani (Bryan Herta Autosport) are IndyCar's drivers best on the move.

        Servia was 17th in the series points standings when his team made the engine switch entering the 500. He didn't qualify well due to a crash in practice, but finished fourth in the race, one of his three top-five finishes in the four races working with Chevrolet.

        With a Lotus, Servia had an average finish of 14.0. With Chevrolet, it's 8.25. That improvement jumped him to 10th in the standings by the season's midpoint.

        Tagliani's story is similar. He was 24th in points after the fourth race, in part because his team decided to skip the Brazil race as it dumped Lotus. In four races with Honda, Tagliani has a pole (at Texas) and top-10 finishes in the past three races.

        Tagliani has moved up to 19th in the standings, which under current rules would have been worth $1.1 million from the Leaders Circle program. The top 20 are eligible for Leaders Circle payouts, which are based on the previous year's finish. Qualifications for the 2013 program have not been announced.

        Tagliani has lowered his average starting position from 16.6 to 7.0 and his average finishing position from 20.6 to 9.5. That's progress.
        Iowa schedule

        Practice at Iowa begins at 11 a.m. today, but the 3:30 p.m. session is the one to watch. That will set the lineup for tonight's three heat races.

        The top eight will be in the third heat for the top eight starting positions in Saturday's main event.

        The heat races, which begin at 7:15 p.m., will not be televised live. Instead, they will be part of the NBC Sports' Saturday broadcast that begins at 8 p.m.
        http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...ed-back-Turn-4
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

          I don't think I really heard an explanation for the start at Iowa. Considering the speed of the cars and the shortness of the track I'm not sure why they started counting laps before the green flag waved... I know Tags had an issue and Franchitti blew an engine... but that was all during the pace laps and before the flag.

          What was it, something like 18 laps of yellow before the cars even took the green? So was it the right call to start counting those laps?

          I think if I was a paying customer I'd feel cheated out of 18 laps of racing.

          It seems to me, no matter what happens, until the green flag is waved there should be no laps counted because the race hasn't started. I don't consider the race started at "Drivers start your engines!"... I consider it started when the starter waves the green flag.
          Last edited by Bball; 06-25-2012, 10:04 AM. Reason: typo
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

          ------

          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

            http://www.indycar.com/News/2012/06-...chedule-update

            Well, no 16th race this year, but I can live with a "California 500" of sorts....
            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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              It is SOP for most short track races to restart in 4, however, most restarts are single file. And no passing before the cone...LOL. Maybe they're afraid that somebody will screw up and light the turbo up and loose it, wiping out half the field.
              http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
              "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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              • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                Push to Pass is back:

                http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...IndyStar.com|s

                I blame Belle Isle.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                  I don't have that much issue with PTP. It's a gimmick, but a good one.
                  http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                  "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                  • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                    Either Cavin or Miller... I think... was just saying they didn't expect to see PTP because there's not a need for it. Looks like one of them missed that one!
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                    ------

                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                      http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...nue-to-evolve/

                      What about giving them a wind tunnel number they have to meet and not exceed? Best of both worlds. Never happen, though.
                      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                      "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                      • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                        RHR with the hat trick!
                        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                        • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                          Quite the trick! What a podium! The standings have taken quite the turn as well. Not a bad show either. No repeat champion this year, I'd bet.
                          http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                          "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                          • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                            Thank god. Too bad Newgarden got screwed by Pagenaud with the block.
                            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                            • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                              Pagenaud had no business blocking in his situation (needing to pit). But worse, Newgarden had no business passing him. IF Newgarden and SFHR were regulars in the top 5 I might feel differently, but they'd reached the point in the race where there was a bigger picture to consider IMHO. They really needed that solid finish. Just riding around in 4th was likely going to get him a podium when Pagenaud pitted... or ran out of gas. I hate telling a racer not to race, but in this case I think that would've been the prudent thing to do in those closing laps. Make sure he was aware that Kimball was out of reach and Pagenaud couldn't make it on fuel.... and suggest he not do anything aggressive for position.

                              Just my opinion... I could be wrong...

                              Great win for RHR and Andretti. Great finish for Kimball and Conway (and Foyt racing) too.

                              Hinchcliffe gives the team another real driver to bounce info off of. Something they lacked in at least one seat (Yes, that is a Danica slam).
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                              ------

                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • Re: 2012 Indycar thread

                                No, you are correct. Joseph should have used his head a little more or whomever is in charge on top of the war wagon should have told him to cool it.
                                http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                                "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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