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    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    Looking forward to going to the 500 and the Baltimore Grand Prix this year!

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    Qualifying report

    1 Will Power 0 1:01.3721
    2 Ryan Briscoe 0.1636 1:01.5357
    3 Ryan Hunter-Reay 0.5600 1:01.9321
    4 James Hinchcliffe 0.5980 1:01.9701
    5 Helio Castroneves 0.6266 1:01.9987
    6 Simon Pagenaud 0.7374 1:02.1095
    7 Scott Dixon 1:01.7636
    8 Marco Andretti
    9 Tony Kanaan
    10 Dario Franchitti
    11 Graham Rahal
    12 Mike Conway
    13 EJ Viso
    14 Rubens Barrichello
    15 Takuma Sato
    16 Justin Wilson
    17 Alex Tagliani
    18 JR Hildebrand
    19 Josef Negarden
    20 James Jakes
    21 Simona de Silvestro
    22 Charlie Kimball
    23 Oriol Servia
    24 Ed Carpenter
    25 Katherine Legge
    26 Sebastien Bourdais

    Kind of the usual suspects in the front row, but after that...Great job for Hinch!
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    So much for any questions about how the new car would effect Will Power's style in qualifying...
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    That said... Ganassi probably isn't too happy. Dixon's not in an overly terrible spot but Franchitti, Rahal, and Kimball are further back than the Chipster has to like.
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    The Chipster is having a **** fit. Bet the lights were on in the trailer late last night.
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    Good job HCN!!!
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    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    And onto Barber they go....
    More data for figuring out where everyone is with their cars for the season. Who are pretenders and who are contenders.....

    Helio and Dixon front runners or will Dario and Will move back up there? Andretti team actually making a comeback?
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    We should get a better look at the crash/damage resistance as well. Barber is tighter than St Pete, believe it or not.
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    I'm glad the imaginary lines on the track are gone...
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    Oh God yes!!! There seems to be a small issue with the McLaren build ECUs and the Lotus engines, but aside from that it looks pretty good so far.

    Practice 1 report:

    http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ead-barber-p1/

    A little more about the capabilites of the ECU, pretty cool stuff!

    "With all 26 cars using the spec McLaren i400 ECU--which features a pre-programmed, on-the-spot penalty if an engine surpasses the turbo boost limit--for the first time in competition, Knowles reported Chevrolet, Honda and Lotus did not temp fate by trying to cheat Big Brother at St. Pete.

    “We didn’t see any of that,” Knowles confirmed. “There’s a vis-ŗ-vis [over]boost penalty built into the software which the drivers don’t like and the manufacturers are doing their best to stay away from, apart from they did a test on Katherine Legge’s car where they reduced the limit so she could see what it felt like. That was deliberate, but apart from that, there were no issues.”

    Knowles says the instant penalty doled out by the ECU is designed to negate whatever power advantage an overboost scenario would provide".
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    [QUOTE=DaveP63;1404278]The season is getting ready to start, let's go!

    I doubt I will watch much. I will be watching Danica drive the bumper cars....

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    Report on Pr2. Should be interesting today.

    http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...led-barber-p2/
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    Helio on pole! Hinch #2!

    http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...re-barber-pole

    Rank , Driver , Diff. , Best Lap
    1. (3) Helio Castroneves, Dallara-Chevy, 01:10.4768 (117.485)
    2. (27) James Hinchcliffe, Dallara-Chevy, 01:10.5222 (117.410)
    3. (9) Scott Dixon, Dallara-Honda, 01:10.5291 (117.398)
    4. (14) Mike Conway, Dallara-Honda, 01:10.8791 (116.819)
    5. (4) JR Hildebrand, Dallara-Chevy, 01:11.0759 (116.495)
    6. (11) Tony Kanaan, Dallara-Chevy, 01:11.3740 (116.009)
    7. (5) EJ Viso, Dallara-Chevy, 01:11.5257 (115.763)
    8. (38) Graham Rahal, Dallara-Honda, 01:11.5841 (115.668)
    9. (12) Will Power, Dallara-Chevy, 01:12.0098 (114.984)
    10. (77) Simon Pagenaud, Dallara-Honda, 01:14.2839 (111.464)
    11. (28) Ryan Hunter-Reay, Dallara-Chevy, No Time (No Speed)
    12. (2) Ryan Briscoe, Dallara-Chevy, No Time (No Speed)
    13. (26) Marco Andretti, Dallara-Chevy, 01:10.6512 (117.195)
    14. (8) Rubens Barrichello, Dallara-Chevy, 01:10.5664 (117.336)
    15. (67) Josef Newgarden, Dallara-Honda, 01:10.6851 (117.139)
    16. (15) Takuma Sato, Dallara-Honda, 01:10.6111 (117.262)
    17. (7) Sebastien Bourdais, Dallara-Lotus, 01:10.7255 (117.072)
    18. (10) Dario Franchitti, Dallara-Honda, 01:10.6749 (117.156)
    19. (18) Justin Wilson, Dallara-Honda, 01:11.5524 (115.719)
    20. (19) James Jakes, Dallara-Honda, 01:10.7526 (117.028)
    21. (78) Simona de Silvestro, Dallara-Lotus, 01:11.5721 (115.688)
    22. (83) Charlie Kimball, Dallara-Honda, 01:11.3594 (116.032)
    23. (98) Alex Tagliani, Dallara-Lotus, 01:12.5778 (114.084)*
    24. (20) Ed Carpenter, Dallara-Chevy, 01:11.8672 (115.213)
    25. (6) Katherine Legge, Dallara-Lotus, 01:13.6457 (112.430)
    26. (22) Oriol Servia, Dallara-Lotus, 01:13.3349 (112.907)*

    * Penalties for engine changes
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    What's your feeling on the engine change penalty? I'm sure they exist so someone won't use a qualzilla engine tuned to last about 5 laps and then 'find' a reason to change it prior to the race. So the rule and penalties eliminate qualifying engines and should keep a lid on racing costs that way....

    ...But I'm not sure what the reason is if the engine issue rears it head in practice and leads to an engine change prior to Q's.

    Plus, with these new engines it's pretty clear nobody is changing out an engine to get an unfair advantage. They have legitimate issues.

    And lastly, the 10 position penalty penalizes the driver, team, sponsors, and in a sense even fans probably more than the actual engine manufacturer whose engine caused the issue.
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    The idea is two fold right now. The engines are supposed to be run for X amount of time before they are eligible to be changed. This info can be downloaded from the ECU. It's part of the cost containment measures.This will prevent Roger or Chipster from running a motor for one weekend (or less) and swapping it out for a fresh unit. The gains are mere percentage points in HP (usually +- 5%) but every little bit helps, right? This also keeps from over taxing the shops contracted to freshen up the engines. It also serves to maintain the limited supply of power plants currently available. They're struggling to supply teams now. They don't need the big boys hoarding motors.

    Next year, I expect it to relax a little bit especially if we see Ford and Fiat on board. The penalty seems harsh, but how do you police the line between excess and necessity? I think the magic ECU would keep the qualifying engine thing in line as well as fiddling with the pop off valve. I think they're all lease engines, so I'm not sure what they are allowed to fool with in house.
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    This is fun.
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    Isn't it!

    Congrats Will Power!

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    Great race today. More comments later... gotta run now...
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    I thought the track looked good on TV... I thought the racing was good and also not totally predictable. NBC Sports does a MUCH better job at presenting Indycar racing than ABC. Too bad they don't have the 500 for the broadcast network.

    That said, since I don't have hardly anything negative to question about the racing I do have some things to mention about the broadcast...

    They finally figured it out and mentioned it but I kept waiting for the booth to make a big deal out of Chevy and Honda battling for the top spot during the run to the checkers. I think both manufacturers would've appreciated the mentions. Sebastien himself made sure that Lotus got several mentions but when Dixon was right on Power's tail the guys didn't mention the engines. It was only later once Dixon had cooked his tires and fell back that they thought to mention Chevy and Honda running 1-2.

    I get the feeling they just aren't used to having equipment differences like that to mention... let alone whatever drama that can create and they can exploit.

    I like Bob Jenkins in the booth. I like him to the point I'm fairly forgiving to some verbal blunders... but I wonder if the average fan or person sampling the product is quite so forgiving? I don't remember Bob fumbling over his words as much back when he was fulltime Nascar guy at ESPN or when he was doing Thunder for ESPN. Has Bob always stumbled over his words and I'm just now noticing or has he gotten worse about it?

    In any case.... The NBC Sports commentating crew is so much better than ABC. I don't think Marty Reid is blessed with the best in partners at ABC and I do have a newfound respect for Reid. I don't think he's the problem with the ABC telecasts in the booth. I am surprised ABC's overall production doesn't take a cue from Versus/NBC Sports coverage. ...just steal some ideas and use them...

    I'm a little surprised Lotus can't get ahead ONE engine for the IMS test coming up. You'd think that would be pretty important to them. They must really be behind the 8 ball.
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    I like Bob Jenkins in the booth. I like him to the point I'm fairly forgiving to some verbal blunders... but I wonder if the average fan or person sampling the product is quite so forgiving? I don't remember Bob fumbling over his words as much back when he was fulltime Nascar guy at ESPN or when he was doing Thunder for ESPN. Has Bob always stumbled over his words and I'm just now noticing or has he gotten worse about it?



    I'm a little surprised Lotus can't get ahead ONE engine for the IMS test coming up. You'd think that would be pretty important to them. They must really be behind the 8 ball.
    He's kind of been out of it for a while. Give him a little bit to get used to faces and names and see if he rounds back into form.

    Yes, Lotus is that far behind. I don't think there's a spare Lotus engine in the paddock, it's down about 50 HP and it's not getting on well with the McLaren ECU.
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    BIRMINGHAM, Ala - Results Sunday of the Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama IZOD IndyCar Series event on the 2.3 mile Barber Motorsports Park, with order of finish, starting position in parentheses, driver, chassis-engine, laps completed and reason out (if any):
    1. (9) Will Power, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    2. (3) Scott Dixon, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    3. (1) Helio Castroneves, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    4. (8) Graham Rahal, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    5. (10) Simon Pagenaud, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    6. (2) James Hinchcliffe, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    7. (4) Mike Conway, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    8. (14) Rubens Barrichello, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    9. (17) Sebastien Bourdais, Dallara-Lotus, 90, Running
    10. (18) Dario Franchitti, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    11. (13) Marco Andretti, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    12. (11) Ryan Hunter-Reay, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    13. (26) Oriol Servia, Dallara-Lotus, 90, Running
    14. (12) Ryan Briscoe, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    15. (5) JR Hildebrand, Dallara-Chevrolet, 90, Running
    16. (20) James Jakes, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    17. (15) Josef Newgarden, Dallara-Honda, 90, Running
    18. (7) EJ Viso, Dallara-Chevrolet, 89, Running
    19. (19) Justin Wilson, Dallara-Honda, 89, Running
    20. (21) Simona de Silvestro, Dallara-Lotus, 89, Running
    21. (6) Tony Kanaan, Dallara-Chevrolet, 89, Running
    22. (23) Ed Carpenter, Dallara-Chevrolet, 88, Running
    23. (24) Katherine Legge, Dallara-Lotus, 85, Running
    24. (16) Takuma Sato, Dallara-Honda, 52, Mechanical
    25. (22) Charlie Kimball, Dallara-Honda, 45, Mechanical
    26. (25) Alex Tagliani, Dallara-Lotus, 0, Mechanical

    Reubens and Seabass ahead of Dario? Hmmm. Bet the Monday morning staff meeting at TCGR is pleasant...
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    I said this before the season started but Penkse and Chevrolet are going to be the ones to beat this year. Especially if Will continues his road course hot streak he's been on the past two seasons.

    With Helio in the mix now, there is probably no stopping them. Dixon showed towards the end of last season he is regaining his old form, and I just can't help to think that Dario has peaked.

    I really hate the fact that we are looking at 5 oval races this season. I like Will Power, a lot, but the schedule basically is giving him the championship.

    With that said, I cannot wait until May. These cars are going to be really, really fast.

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