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    Default GM reactions to Mock Draft 1.0 ESPNINSIDER

    Just thought this would be interesting, especially with a lot of the talk about where some players should and should not go.

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/...rst-mock-draft

    The Sweet 16 starts on Thursday and NBA scouts and GMs are positioning themselves around the country for another round of evaluation. But we're casting our gaze a little further into the horizon.

    We debuted our first full Mock Draft on Tuesday and within a few minutes were getting a lot of feedback from NBA general managers. A couple of themes have arisen throughout the day:

    1. This draft looks incredibly deep if everyone's in. But not everyone is going to be in. Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Florida's Patric Young have already said they are returning to school. Several other lottery picks including Indiana's Cody Zeller, UNC's James Michael McAdoo and Baylor's Quincy Miller are all strongly leaning toward staying in school, too. Taking those five out of the first round changes things.


    A few others including Florida's Bradley Beal, UConn's Andre Drummond, Baylor's Perry Jones III and Duke's Austin Rivers aren't locks to enter the draft either. Subtract those five from the first round and things suddenly get much weaker.

    2. GMs seem to think we have Austin Rivers too low. While scouts have generally been down on him all year, a number of NBA GMs told me they had him ranked considerably higher on their boards. One high-level scout told me that they had Rivers ranked as a top five or six player in the draft.

    3. Fans seem to think we have Tyler Zeller too high. I got more feedback from readers about Zeller than anyone else. I think it's a visceral reaction more than anything. Every GM and scout I spoke with have him in their Top 12. I think he's more skilled and athletic than people realize.

    4. The point guards could all end up going higher. Next year, ESPNU doesn't have one point guard ranked in their Top 20 of the incoming recruiting class. The top point guard is Kris Dunn from Providence and he's ranked at No. 23. That means waiting until next year for an elite point guard to emerge might prove fruitless. I had a number of GMs tell me that Damian Lillard, Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten Jr., B.J. Young, Marquis Teague and Myck Kabongo could all go higher than they are currently projected. Then again, the dearth of point guards in the 2013 draft could be an incentive for players like Teague and Kabongo to return to school and possibly go much higher next year.

    5. Teams are scared -- to death -- of taking Perry Jones III and Andre Drummond and they're frightened to pass on either player. Jones and Drummond have so many tools to be great NBA players but early in their career, they still don't know how to put them together. "They get you fired either way," one GM said. "Don't take them and they blow up, everyone asks you what you were thinking. Do take them and they underachieve and everyone says you shouldn't have taken the risk. It's a no-win situation so ... you just take them. It's better to swing for the fences and miss than to bunt and miss the chance to hit a home run."

    Last Friday we debuted our annual Who's In and Who's Out of the NBA Draft list for the year. Three players -- St. John's Moe Harkless, Villanova's Maalik Wayns and South Florida's Victor Rudd Jr. -- have already declared. Iowa State's Royce White is expected to announce he's declaring today. Harkless and White are a likely first-round picks. The other two should really go back to school.

    I'm beginning to hear a number of other players who sound like they'll be joining the list of early entrants soon. Sources say Harrison Barnes is all but in. Ditto of Illinois' Meyers Leonard and UNLV's Mike Moser. Texas' Kabongo and Memphis shooting guard Will Barton are seriously looking at declaring for the draft as well.

    There are two big matchups that scouts will be focusing on in the Sweet 16. On Thursday, it's Marquette vs. Florida. Scouts are interested in how two bigs: Patric Young and Jae Crowder match up. They also want to see how Vander Blue and Darius Johnson-Odom match up with Beal and Kenny Boynton Jr.

    On Friday, it's the Kentucky-Indiana rematch. In the first game, neither Anthony Davis nor Cody Zeller played a particularly great game. They've both improved a lot and the head-to-head matchup could be stellar.

    Over the weekend there is plenty of potential for prime prospects going head to head. Kentucky-Baylor, North Carolina-Kansas, Michigan State-Florida and Syracuse-Ohio State all could be epic.

    The NIT doesn't have the same cache as the NCAA tournament, but it's worth noting that Washington's Terrence Ross has been tearing up the NIT. Through the first three games of the tournament, Ross has had 23 points and 5 rebounds versus Texas-Arlington, 32 points, 8 rebounds and 6 3s versus Northwestern and 24 points versus Oregon. Only a handful of scouts have actually caught the games, but it's a strong finish to the season for him nonetheless.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Default Re: GM reactions to Mock Draft 1.0 ESPNINSIDER

    Nothing annoys me more than asking what GMs or scouts think of a prospect, in the months leading up to a draft.

    You really think they are going to give honest, insider opinions? Seriously? No, they're going to try to give as much misleading info as they can, to get other teams to look at a player they don't want.

    All I took from this article is that Austin Rivers will fall like a rock on draft day. Everybody has been dogging him all year, but now all of a sudden GMs and scouts both love him to death?

    I also like the anonymous GM advice to draft Drummond and Perry Jones.

    ... you just take them. It's better to swing for the fences and miss than to bunt and miss the chance to hit a home run.
    Yes...draft him. Someone please draft him before he falls to our slot, so I'm not stuck making that decision!
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    Default Re: GM reactions to Mock Draft 1.0 ESPNINSIDER

    As long as I live, I'll remember the hilarity of Pavel Podkolzine...a thousand scouts gushing over him practicing against air in an empty gym, like he's the next wilt chamberlain.

    What can Yao Ming do that he can't?

    um...play basketball?

    Even if just one GM bites on misdirection hype ( and mark cuban did in that case), it could be the difference between a home run prospect you love dropping to you and just an OK one that gets you fired someday. Teams will always, always hype up players they don't want prior to a draft.

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    Nothing annoys me more than asking what GMs or scouts think of a prospect, in the months leading up to a draft.

    You really think they are going to give honest, insider opinions? Seriously? No, they're going to try to give as much misleading info as they can, to get other teams to look at a player they don't want.

    All I took from this article is that Austin Rivers will fall like a rock on draft day. Everybody has been dogging him all year, but now all of a sudden GMs and scouts both love him to death?

    I also like the anonymous GM advice to draft Drummond and Perry Jones.



    Yes...draft him. Someone please draft him before he falls to our slot, so I'm not stuck making that decision!
    I think there is a bit of truth to what they say, they may not tell everything but many scout communicate with each other often, they may not give all the X's and O's about their scouting, but everyone is trying to get a general consensus to verify or what they believe they see.

    I think Rivers is getting consideration because he often either leads his team or is tied on his team in assist(he sees the floor better, and makes smarter passes), is quick, knows how to drive, and has more of a NBA game than college.

    I still think he should go back to get more experience, with handling the ball and seeing the floor at the 2 guard position.
    Why so SERIOUS

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