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    I'm intrigued by the possibility of Barbosa at the point guard.

    I'm intrigued by the idea of finishing games with Barbosa/Hill.
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    nah but seriously .. I expect Barbosa to be the cog that adds horsepower to the stalling engine that we are currently experiencing...
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    I expect him to be a offensive weapon that sees the court no more than 20 mpg. For the rest of the year I think he will score 8 ppg on great efficiency (comparable to AJ).

    I do not think his presence will instantly make every one off of the bench better. But I think that Lou and Hill will benefit most, and Jones will benefit lease. Tyler will struggle.

    Mixed with the starters I think he benefits Roy the most. I don't have a reason, but somebody has to.

    He could be a release valve. Taking the oppositions opposing defensive pressure and allowing others to play better by spreading the floor. But not being thrusted into the rotation mid-season.

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    I'll be happy if he can come on the floor and hit his first shots, causing the defense to adjust and freeing up our other players to try to get into a scoring rhythm.

    If that's all he does, he'll become vitally important to this team.
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    Two questions:

    1. What do you realistically expect Barbosa to add to/help our team with?

    2. How long do you think it will take for him to find his stride with us?
    Scoring and defense. Also, sounds like he has already taken a leadership role in the locker room from what the Georges said last night with Eric Yutsy of channel 13 on the jam. He is already giving advice to PG.

    I really like this trade and I think it makes a difference in our team. The question is how will Vogel be able to handle having another weapon at his disposal. Its gonna be interesting to see how the rotation develops over the next couple of weeks. I dont think Vogel will change the point guard rotation, although i wouldnt mind it as long as DC assumes that role without any questions. I still wish we could get another big or get Jeff Pendergraph playing more now so he is more used to playing in normal rotations versus garbage time. I really think JP will have to step up as we move toward the playoffs. Im not sure we can trust having Foster ready at any time.

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    If he can be a sparkplug off the bench, get hot sometimes and score in bunches when that happens he'll be invaluable.

    If Vogel takes this opportunity to reduce Dahntay's minutes to play George as the primary backup small forward giving us a rotation of;

    Collison (26)/ Hill (22) or Hill (22) /Collison (26)
    Paul George (20) / Barbs(20) / Hill (8)
    Granger (32)/ PG (10)/ Dahntay (6)

    In the backcourt he'll be invaluable (though AJ has been playing well and it hurts to demote him there are too many superior players in front of him).

    He's averaging over 12 ppg in around 22 minutes, many raptors fans think he's been their best player all year. He can flat out score, and that sometimes is a huge problem for the team. His penetration and speed will force rotations and allow our bigs a better chance to rebound offensively, he can shoot the 3.

    He's still one of the better bench players in the NBA, and he should be more motivated here than he was in Toronto since he'll have a chance to contribute to a playoff team.

    To get a guy of his calibre of a mere 2nd round pick is a huge coup, and should improve our team greatly, because i'm sick of seeing our bench consistently get beat into the dust after the starters compete evenly or win their matchup many nights if George Hill isn't aggressive and Tyler is cold.

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    I would truly hope Barbosa is more efficent than A J Price . Price since getting regular playing time 23 games ago has hit 31% of his field goal attempts (37 of 118) and 31% of his 3's (19 of 60) while averaging 5 ppg. That goes back to Feb 1st.

    I expect Barbosa to shoot at a better % on both and average between 8-12 ppg off the bench.

    My biggest concern is that Barbosa will take minutes away from Paul George as Vogel goes small with a Barbosa / Hill back court and sits Paul. If Paul gets the majority of the back up SF minutes I think the team will be better with a Hill/Barbosa/ George lineup when Granger sits.

    Hopefully Barbosa's arrival will jump start the bench to more consistant overall performances.

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    Two questions:

    1. What do you realistically expect Barbosa to add to/help our team with?

    2. How long do you think it will take for him to find his stride with us?
    My realistic expectations from Barbosa individually is about 10-12 ppg, while giving the second unit a real and consistent scoring option.

    2. I think Barbosa's type of game is easy to adjust to. In the halfcourt, he's going to come off screens, looking for three pointers. And he's also going to play at a faster pace, which is the strong suit of every player within our second unit. I give it 4-5 games before he's 80-90% within his stride.

    More than anything, I'm interested to see if the arrival of Barbosa will push Vogel to adding Hill to the starting lineup. In all honesty, it doesnt matter how strong your bench is if your starters are continuing to get off to such lousy, uninspiring starts

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    I would truly hope Barbosa is more efficent than A J Price . Price since getting regular playing time 23 games ago has hit 31% of his field goal attempts (37 of 118) and 31% of his 3's (19 of 60) while averaging 5 ppg. That goes back to Feb 1st.

    I expect Barbosa to shoot at a better % on both and average between 8-12 ppg off the bench.

    My biggest concern is that Barbosa will take minutes away from Paul George as Vogel goes small with a Barbosa / Hill back court and sits Paul. If Paul gets the majority of the back up SF minutes I think the team will be better with a Hill/Barbosa/ George lineup when Granger sits.

    Hopefully Barbosa's arrival will jump start the bench to more consistant overall performances.
    I would hope George gets more playing time at the backup SF. Hill, Barbosa, George, Hansbrough, and Amundson would be a nice lineup.

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    I think having Barbosa running around screens, and being the threat offensively that he is will open up the floor for the rest of our second unit. When Hill got the opportunity to run the team at the beginning of the year, we had no one playing with him that struck any kind of fear into the defense. Teams just packed the paint on us. People have used the Dunleavy comparison, and I think it's a good one. Having a player in constant motion while being a threat to knock down shots can only help the spacing on the court, which should in turn help the rest of the players find more room to make plays, especially Hill IMO.

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    I would hope George gets more playing time at the backup SF. Hill, Barbosa, George, Hansbrough, and Amundson would be a nice lineup.
    i'm hoping you are correct. early in the season, paul was having trouble defending the 3. but i did notice a couple of possessions guarding melo. thought paul did a nice job defensively vs melo. maybe that means he's figured it out. or just gotten bigger. or both.

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    30 PPG per 20 MIN
    10 AST per 20 MIN
    5 REB per 20 MIN
    5 STL per 20 MIN

    ---- Realistically ----

    10 PPG per 15 - 20 MIN
    1.5 AST per 15 - 20 MIN
    2 REB per 15 - 20 MIN
    1 STL per 15 - 20 MIN

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    Seriously, #28? What a strange number for a basketball player.

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    Don't know what to think. Probably some good offensive punch off the bench - 10 to 12 points? But feeling like our plodding, slogging first team is who could most benefit for an injection. Move DC and his speed in with Barbosa and the rest of the 2nd unit and I think you've got a nice up-temo group there though. I'll look forward to Hill and Barbosa for the time being though.
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    Our offense has just seemed stuck, clogged, unable to break loose for a long, long time.
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    Seriously, #28? What a strange number for a basketball player.
    that makes me really happy because 28 is actually my favorite number

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    You can only do this kind of stuff when you are a secure person. Because you've got the goods on the court.
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    He exceeded my expecations in game #1. Mainly what I want from him is energy.

    One thing he is good at is running the pick and roll as the ballhandler - he is really good.

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    How about the fact that he damn near caught up to that HORRIAWFUL pass that Lou threw on the "fast break." So damn fast.
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    How about the fact that he damn near caught up to that HORRIAWFUL pass that Lou through on the "fast break." So damn fast.
    Good point.

    That said, I love it when Lou gets excited and gives us such gems

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    For the rest of the year I think he will score 8 ppg on great efficiency (comparable to AJ).
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