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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Who do you think we will target in FA?

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  • Who do you think we will target in FA?

    i'm curious of your guys opinion. Do you guys think we have a chance at the big names like Mario Williams?

  • #2
    Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

    I bet we could get Haynesworth for a decent price.

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    • #3
      Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

      Mario Williams would be nice, but I don't see us having the cash for him. Maybe Farrior. Probably not Haynesworth unless his attitude has changed. Because hasn't he said before he does not like the 3-4 scheme and he would not play it.

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      • #4
        Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

        No one significant.

        We have $38 mil in dead money because of everyone we cut.

        I'm guessing the plan is to be completely terrible this year anyway and get another high pick (and high picks in the 2nd round, 3rd round, etc.). After next season, when we have another stacked rookie class (and cap room) is when we're gonna start to see improvement.

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        • #5
          Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

          Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
          I bet we could get Haynesworth for a decent price.
          Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

          Dont waste your time or money

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          • #6
            Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

            With our likely draft position next year, I sure wish Matt Kalil were coming out next year rather than this year. Luck would be very fortunate to have an LT in front of him that is also considered to be a once in 10 years player. Unfortunately, not going to happen.

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            • #7
              Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

              Just hope Luck survives for next year. Our O-Line still needs a C and Guards. And who knows how effective Ijalana will be coming off that ACL tear, so I'd think having' some T depth would be good too. I think Gaither would be ideal. Him and Ijalana can split time since Gaither has some injury history. He can even slide over to LT should Castanzo have some injuries again.

              Just a lot of needs, and they keep piling up.
              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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              • #8
                Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

                TE is an area of concern now and really Tamme doesn't fit in well with what the teams is doing.

                Given the young age of the line and hopefully a more run focus I hope the Colts go after Marellus Bennett of the Cowboys. His big and he run blocks well along with being a good pass blocker he can also catch.

                He could be out of the Colts price range but I think he would be worth it on a back loaded contract.

                At WR I would go after Josh Morgan if he cost less than Garcon and he should cost less coming off a leg injury.

                DB's I think the Colts should go after Chris Carr of the Ravens. The coach should know him and the system he wants to run.

                NT/DT I would go after Gerald Warren if his cost is reasonable.

                LB - A cheap option here would be Tavares Gooden former Ravens LB who signed with the Niners last year.

                The Ravens also have 3 other LB's up for grabs but only 1 is worth much and he will be too expensive.

                Bottom line I would go after Bennett and Morgan and fill in the defense as best as they can through the draft and cheap options this year.

                Remember that although the Colts have only around 5-10 million bucks in capspace then can spread signing bonuses and back load the contracts. They can still be players in this free agency IMO.

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                • #9
                  Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

                  We aren't going to add anyone worth much. As Cooper said, we have 38 million in dead cap.

                  Stampedeblue has an interesting article on our cap situation for 2012 and 2013.

                  http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/3/1...oday#storyjump

                  He says that most of this dead cap comes off the books after this year, which means that we will have roughly 40 million in cap space in 2013. So we should be a MAJOR free agent player next season.

                  Like Manning's rookie year in 1998, 2012 will likely be a lost year from a W-L standpoint. This year will be all about getting Luck experience and hopefully he doesn't get killed out there. If he shows some promise this season then we will be sitting in a very nice spot next year. We will likely have another high draft pick along with some massive cap space. There will be some great opportunities for our management to improve this team relatively quickly.

                  Assuming Manning doesn't sign with the Titans, the only team worth anything in our division is the Texans. There is no reason to think that we can't be challenging for an AFC South title by 2014 if our management plays it's cards right and if Luck lives up to the hype.

                  The next few years will be fascinating to follow. Hopefully we don't lose too many fans in the interim. Indy fans have a great opportunity to prove that they are a legitimate fan base that was not completely dependent on one player.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

                    I had a lot wrote out and it got deleted, so I will just add the list of players along with 2 comments.

                    I do not think we will address the DE position at all.

                    I think we will go with productive guys who are not flashy.

                    RB: Earnest Graham

                    WR: Josh Morgan, Roscoe Parrish, Donnie Avery, Mike Sims Walker, Chaz Schilens or Derek Hagan depending who the Raiders do not sign back of the two.

                    TE: Tamme, Will Hiller, If we do not get Tamme, or Fleener through the draft it would be interesting to see if we gave a look to John Carlson.

                    OL: Chilo Rachal is one that comes to mind but there are so many decent veterans out there.

                    NT: I have no idea, I really think we will target this in the draft and possibly pick up someone along the way, I doubt we will spend big money on the guy from the Dolphins right now.

                    LB: Again there are tons of guys that are decent out there that could add depth, but I think this position is pretty much locked up with the group we have, possibly a couple guys to add to depth.

                    CB: Justin Tyron, lol no but I think this is another position we will possibly only get one guy in, the draft is loaded in this position and we have a ton of prospects here.

                    S: I believe we will spend money here, our SS position is extremely week, I could even see us targeting a young potential star her in Laron Landry, Pagano has been spoiled with having Reed for all these years, San Diego had Weddle who got a ridiculous contract last year. I think these guys really put a lot of emphasis on this position and I think they will go big, or atleast try to.
                    Why so SERIOUS

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

                      Question, every keeps talking about cap space, but my question is as of right now, how much cap room do we have left to complete the roster?

                      That is the more important thing for me at this point.

                      I think the only big contracts we have right now are Freeney, Mathis, and Bethea...

                      I just checked we have 33.5 million to work with this year that is before the Mathis contract in which I have not seen the details yet, and before we either trade Freeney or restructure his contract.

                      So I am assuming we will have somewhere in the mid 20's to mid 30's depending on how the situation turns out.

                      We currently only have 4 contracts that are over 2 million dollars, and only 8 total that are over a million.

                      Cam only made 4 million this year so Luck's contract should not affect us to bad.

                      So I say at the least we should have about 20 million to used to sign free agents, enough to go after 1 or 2 pretty good ones and then sign smaller contracts for the rest.
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        We aren't going to add anyone worth much. As Cooper said, we have 38 million in dead cap.

                        Stampedeblue has an interesting article on our cap situation for 2012 and 2013.

                        http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/3/1...oday#storyjump
                        Yes yes we have 38 million dollars in dead money but the new cba allows you to push a portion of the 2 contract (dead money) into next year or 2013. Thats important because 2 of those contracts of dead money is 10 and 7 million which can free up significant money.

                        I bet Morgan makes a lot less money than Garcon and will equal his production and on top of that Bennett could also be had at a decent price which can be back loaded.

                        Either way it doesn't boil down we can't sign someone becuase of that 38 million dollars of dead money. We can and I bet we will find some good second tier players at a good cost.

                        The wild card in this is what will happen to Freeneys contract. Will they trade him or cut him or keep him. IF they do the first 2 then it will change the whole outcome of this free agency.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who do you think we will target in FA?

                          A lot of the guys that I am interested in at WR are being taken off the board... Josh Morgan, Chaz Schilling.
                          Why so SERIOUS

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