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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

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  • Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

    Sad news tonight as former Indiana Pacers assistant coach Dick Harter passed away on Monday at age 81. Harter had been suffering from cancer and reportedly died in his Hilton Head, SC home.

    Coach Harter was best known his defensive influence on any team he coached, starting in the early '70's when he was the head coach for the Oregon Ducks. Harter spent most of his coaching career as an assistant coach at the NBA level, including on the bench for the Pacers under coaches Jack Ramsay, Larry Bird and Jim O'Brien.

    Among his many years on the bench with the Pacers, the 2000 team that played the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA Finals had the most success. On that team Harter was part of a unique and talented coaching staff the was among the best in the NBA. Larry Bird was the head coach overseeing everything while Harter acted as the "defensive coordinator" directing the team's strong defensive effort, while Rick Carlisle (a pretty good coach in his own right) handled the "offensive coordinator" duties.

    I recall seeing Harter in his latter years with the Pacers sitting up in the stands, often with his wife, observing the players go through individual workouts a couple of hours before the game. I used to wonder just how many hours and days he'd spent observing such workouts. It was clear there was no where he would rather be than in the gym.

    Rest in peace, Coach Harter.
    http://www.indycornrows.com/2012/3/1...ter-dies-at-81

    Very sad news, RIP Harter.
    Last edited by ECKrueger; 03-12-2012, 11:26 PM. Reason: sorry Hicks, I usually remember

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    Re: Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

    Very sad news indeed.
    "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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      Re: Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

      R.I.P.

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        RIP Dick Harter, I hope you enjoy your court side seats up above.
        "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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          I've noticed people slipping lately, so let me remind everyone to include the URL when pasting a link.

          Sad to hear about the coach.

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            Re: Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

            Very sad news today. He will be sorely missed in the basketball community and beyond. I wish the Harter family my condolences. Watching a family member slowly decline and pass from such a viscious disease is really tough.

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              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              I've noticed people slipping lately, so let me remind everyone to include the URL when pasting a link.

              Sad to hear about the coach.
              Here's the link
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                Re: Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

                rest in peace coach.
                Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                  RIP

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                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                      damn...RIP

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                        Rest in Peace Coach Harter. You were already sorely missed in the hearts of Pacers fans who truly appreciated defense.

                        I do hope that, posthumously, the powers that be of the Pacers organization will somehow find it in their collective hearts now to give him the sendoff he so richly deserved and should have actually received when he was still here, as opposed to the classless halftime "ceremony" where his departure was marginalized into a shockingly truncated and disrespectful fiasco that left those of us in attendance that night who respected his career and what he brought to our franchise bewildered, at best.

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                          RIP coach. One of the great defensive minded coaches. He will be missed.

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                            Re: Former Assistant Coach Dick Harter Dies At 81

                            Very sad.

                            He was one of my favorite alltime NBA coaches. If you read Larry Bird's book during his time as Pacers coach, you will remember many great stories about Dick Harter. He was one of the best ever assistant coaches in the NBA.

                            He had three stints as Pacers assistant coach? Under Jack Ramsey, Larry Bird and Jim O'Brien. He always seemed to have a great attitude, great work ethic and was a pure basketball coach - didn't care about anything else except coaching - didn't seek attention.
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-13-2012, 07:54 AM.

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                              here is a nice article about his time as head coach for the Oregon Ducks

                              http://www.registerguard.com/web/new...-dick.html.csp

                              Kamikaze Kids’ coach Dick Harter, who led standout Oregon teams, dies at 81
                              His intense style of play transformed UO basketball and inspired a fanatical following

                              By Bob Clark
                              The Register-Guard

                              Published: (Tuesday, Mar 13, 2012 05:02AM) Today




                              University of Oregon coach Dick Harter stomps his feet in protest during a Civil War game in Portland in 1977. Standing behind Harter are Duck players Kelvin Small (left) and Joe Morec.






                              Dick Harter, whose seven-year tenure as the head basketball coach at the University of Oregon was almost unmatched in the school’s athletic history for creating a fanatical following for his team, died Monday night at a hospital in Hilton Head, S.C. He was 81.


                              No cause of death for Harter was given, but he had recently been treated for cancer. Services are pending.

                              “It’s a big loss for basketball,” longtime friend Peter Murphy said. “It’s a sad night for all of us.”

                              Harter’s era at Oregon was marked by a McArthur Court that was filled to capacity night after night and that saw the Ducks mirror their coach’s intense personality with a style of play that led to the players being nicknamed “The Kamikaze Kids.” The Ducks were 113-81 in those seven years, and while they didn’t win a Pac-8 title, their accomplishments were notable, including famously breaking a 98-game winning streak for UCLA at Pauley Pavilion.

                              “You talk about people leaving footprints. He left his footprints,” said Ernie Kent, a Harter player who went on to coach the Ducks from 1997-2010. “He changed the mentality of a community, he changed a program, he changed lives.”

                              No challenge was too daunting for Harter’s teams, no opponent was to be feared. He arrived in Eugene after a successful tenure at the University of Pennsylvania and announced that his goal was to take on UCLA, then a perennial national championship contender that ruled the conference under the direction of the late and legendary John Wooden.

                              “You never saw John Wooden get too riled up during a game, but there were a couple of times (against Harter’s Oregon teams) when he rolled that program up a little tighter,” said Don Essig, then and now the court announcer for Oregon basketball. “It was so intense ... It was the most exciting basketball I’ve ever seen. That’s the only way I can say it.”

                              Oregon hired Harter away from Penn in the spring of 1971, and after his first team went 6-20, Harter led the Ducks to six consecutive winning seasons and three appearances in the National Invitation Tournament, including a third-place finish in 1975.

                              It was Harry Miller, the coach at Wichita State, who once said in a post-game interview after playing Oregon that the Ducks were “like Kamikaze pilots” in their zeal to play the game. Harter first felt offended, then realized how “Kamikaze Kids” could be turned to his advantage.
                              Later, it was Gene Bartow, Wooden’s successor at UCLA, who termed Oregon fans “deranged idiots” for their vocal and fanatical support of the Ducks. Again, UO fans wore buttons and shirts with that wording as a badge of honor.

                              It was Harter himself who, seeing Mac Court for the first time, declared his fondness for the facility, saying, “It’s a pit. It’s perfect.”

                              Harter was hired away from Oregon by Penn State, and then went on to serve as an assistant coach for six NBA teams, including the Portland Trail Blazers. He was also the first head coach of the Charlotte Hornets.

                              While he earned widespread recognition as a defensive specialist in the NBA, it was his time at Oregon that stood out in Harter’s career, and he never seemed to forget his friends in the area and the followers of the Ducks, many of them students who would camp out for nights before home games to make sure they could attend.

                              Throughout his time working in the NBA and since his retirement in South Carolina, Harter closely kept track of Ore­gon football and men’s basketball results, and spoke only last week of his feeling that the Ducks were playing as well as any team in the Pac-12 entering the conference tournament. During football season, he tried to watch every Oregon game no matter how late the telecast might run when he was in the Eastern time zone, and it wasn’t unusual for him to contact UO boosters or even sports reporters to check on information related to Oregon teams.

                              Harter had been in Eugene twice in recent years, first to be honored as part of the farewell to Mac Court two years ago and then for the opening weekend of Matthew Knight Arena in 2011.
                              The passing of Harter was especially difficult for Kent, who played for Harter at Oregon and then returned to coach the Ducks for 13 years, becoming the school’s winningest coach.

                              “The greatest testament to any coach isn’t his record but the fact that here it is, 35 years later, and there are so many of us who stayed in contact with Dick and wanted him to be a part of our life,” Kent said. “He was extremely tough on us, and I know that’s what some people will remember, but I don’t think there’s a guy who played for him and went on to be successful in his life who won’t say it’s because of what Dick did for them.

                              “I would hope that when all is said and done, it’s not about wins and losses but it’s about changing lives, and Dick did. He was not perfect — none of us are — but I’ll always be grateful for what he did for me. I’m honored to have played for him and to have had him in my life.”
                              “When all is said and done, it’s not about wins and losses but it’s about changing lives, and Dick did.”

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