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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

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  • A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

    I just came across this and it's the first I have ever even heard about this but thought it was pretty interesting. If this has been posted feel free to delete. With the lack of trade talk and other NBA news right now this is something new to me so maybe it will be for someone else as well.

    http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/09/a-...-assist-night/

    Brett Pollakoff

    Monday night against Golden State, Hornets' rookie point guard Darren Collison had himself one heck of a game. In addition to putting up 16 points on just 12 shots, he dished out a whopping 20 assists in leading his team to a tight, 135-131 victory over the D-League team formerly known as the Warriors.

    Forgetting the fact that just about anyone can put up big numbers in the offensive category of their choosing against this Warriors team (just ask Brandon Jennings), 20 assists seemed like a lot for anyone -- even in a high-possession game that saw the teams put up a combined 266 points in regulation. And many, including the announcing team for the Warriors, questioned the generosity of the statisticians in New Orleans.

    They have him with 20 assists tonight... And this is a Hornet's rookie record of 20 assists. I'm going to say this politely. They need to watch the video of this game because Darren Collison has about 13 assists in the game, not 20. The person keeping assists tonight is a little unclear on the rule.

    Sound like sour grapes from the guy whose team was on the losing end of a winnable game, right? Until you go to the replay and see that some of these assists were absolutely given to Collison when they shouldn't have been.

    Zach Harper did the heavy lifting over at Hardwood Paroxysm, painstakingly breaking down every single play where an assist was awarded to Collison. The summary of his findings was that one of the assists was questionable, and that four should simply not have been called assists.

    Letting the so-called "questionable" assist slide, that still leaves the rookie with a very impressive total of 16 on the night. So if you're the Hornets' stat people, why needlessly cook the books here? It could be laziness, or it could be intentional; either way, someone who is seemingly without a dog in this fight -- Cavs' beat writer Brian Windhorst -- tweeted last night that the stat crew in New Orleans has been "VERY loose with dimes in [the] Chris Paul era."

    One could argue that if the crew is doing this on purpose, they're not increasing the value of Collison's play, but instead, are decreasing the value of Paul's play. If anyone running the point for the Hornets can get their assist total padded by 20 percent when playing at home, then it calls into question the numbers of a guy like Paul, who is legitimately a top-two point guard in the league.

    Now, to be clear, things like this don't just happen in New Orleans. There are crews all over the league who, intentionally or not, give an extra assist, rebound, steal, or blocked shot to players on the home team. That's just the way it is. But with League Pass replay available to anyone who cares to take a closer look, it's time they begin to strive for accuracy of the numbers, instead of inflation of them.

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    Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

    I don't think this is a unique situation. Pretty sure it was widely asserted that Utah helped Stockton's assist total.

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      Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

      Not sure what the point of this post is, other than to start another debate on how terrible you and others think DC is... IMO, it is irrelevant...
      Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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        Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

        Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
        Not sure what the point of this post is, other than to start another debate on how terrible you and others think DC is... IMO, it is irrelevant...
        Really? Look at my damn posts and tell me if I have even mentioned DC let alone talking negative about him. I was on twitter and saw something about him and a movie so I googled Darren Collison movie and found this. Good assumption though.

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          Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

          Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
          I was on twitter and saw something about him and a movie so I googled Darren Collison movie and found this.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

            True story.

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              Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

              If you think that's bad, you should check out Skiles' 30-assist game... a lot of those were "dump it in to the guy in the post, he sizes up his opponent, pump fakes and spins around him for a layup" type assists.

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                Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

                Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
                Not sure what the point of this post is, other than to start another debate on how terrible you and others think DC is... IMO, it is irrelevant...
                Easy there, tiger.

                I took this as less "DC isn't as good as we thought!!?!?!@!" and more "interesting note about NBA statistical records.

                I've always wondered how this was handled. I had never seen this article, thanks for posting. Like the writer said, 16 assists was damn impressive.

                He's still got it in him. Something that goes unnoticed: The team is 24th in the league in shooting, tough to rack up assists when your teammates are missing easy shots. Imagine if D-West shot 50% to start the season like he has lately. DC's assists would be way up.

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                  Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

                  I wonder how many Pacers fans wetting themselves over Rondo's huge triple-double remember D.C.'s 7-13 shooting, 18 point, 13 rebound, 12 assist game against us during his rookie season?

                  If we allowed Darren Collison free reign of our offense, I have no doubt he could put up those types of huge numbers again.

                  As for the author trying to discredit Darren Collison's 20-assist game as "home cooking," let me point that D.C. had an 18-assist game a little over a month earlier in Memphis, and went on to have a pair of back-to-back 14-assist games on the road a little over a week later, including a game in Oakland.

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                    Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night



                    Orlando Magic vs. Boston Celtics - Play By Play - January 17, 2011 - ESPN

                    Orlando Magic vs. Boston Celtics - January 17, 2011 - Play By Play - Sporting News

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                      Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

                      I think there is a valid point here.

                      Why in the world Darren the Tunnel Tision Collison put up huge number in Hornets, and we can never imagine that happen in Pacerland?

                      Of course people argue that it is the system in Hornets is designed for point guard.

                      I never paid attention on C. Paul area or D. Collison area Hornets.
                      Therefore I would appreciate anyone give a details on why D.C. failed to rack up the same number here.

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                        Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

                        This thread has inspired me. I need to find tape of Will Bynum's 20-assist game.

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                            Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

                            Originally posted by mb221 View Post
                            I don't think this is a unique situation. Pretty sure it was widely asserted that Utah helped Stockton's assist total.
                            I know it's akin to blasphemy to say this but people should also go back and look at several assists by Magic Johnson as well. There were games I would watch and think that he had a good game with 9 assist only to see the box score say 16 assists or the like.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              Re: A Closer Look at Darren Collison's 20 Assist Night

                              Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
                              Not sure what the point of this post is, other than to start another debate on how terrible you and others think DC is... IMO, it is irrelevant...
                              fwiw, i'm with you.

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