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Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

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  • #46
    Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

    It makes sence to me, Harris+Milsap for DJ+DC? are you kidding me? where do I need to sign?



    Steve Kyler‏@stevekylerNBAReply


    RT @bamaben4: Does Darren Collison & Dahntay Jones for Milsap & Devin Harris make sense for either or both teams? ---> Not for Indy.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #47
      Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      It makes sence to me, Harris+Milsap for DJ+DC? are you kidding me? where do I need to sign?
      Holy crap, I'd do that!
      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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      • #48
        Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

        That would be thievery on our part. I don't think Utah's management is that stupid.

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        • #49
          Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

          Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
          So you're asking if we get Kaman, would we absorb his pro-rated contract, taking into account what he has already been paid, thus leaving the difference as usable cap space for this season? If so, the answer is ..... I don't know.
          My guess is that his whole contract would impact the Salary Cap ( as in $12 mil ) will appear and count towards the 2012-2013 year...but however much he has played and how much he is actually owed ( let's say $6 mil is still owed for the 30+ games he has to play )...will be paid by the Pacers.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • #50
            Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

            Originally posted by 3 8 thee great t h View Post
            Can someone explain to me how our cap space and when a players contracts when the come over work....

            For example if we have 14 mil and we get kaman who's contract is 14 mil bug has already been paid some money already so do we 0 cap left or do we have the remainder of his money given and money not. Lemm just show it not to confuse ones

            14 mil in cap space Minus
            8/14 mil given to kaman this season
            8 mil remaining in cap after absorbing the contract

            Hope this makes sense
            The remainder of his contract of 14mil has to be paid by the receiving team.
            The 14mil salary goes against the cap, so the Pacers cap would be gone for the remainder of the season if all they do is get Kaman and no out going players are involved.

            One catch tho, his original salary was 12.7mil when he got traded to Hornets he got an additional 1.3mil in a trade clause he had. For my understanding the trade clause does not go against the overall salary cap when he went to the Hornets. So he was traded to the Hornets at a 12.7mil salary. If he is traded to the Pacers it is now the full 14mil.

            Hope this helps!
            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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            • #51
              Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

              Can someone who has ESPN Insider please post this article? Thank you very much.
              http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...eams-trade-for

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              • #52
                Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                Can someone who has ESPN Insider please post this article? Thank you very much.
                http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...eams-trade-for
                nothing really about the pacers but here u go

                First, the bad news: I'm not sure we're going to have as many trades this year as you might have hoped. The Magic are unlikely to move Dwight Howard, the Suns are reluctant to move Steve Nash and virtually every front office exec I've talked to has described things as more quiet than usual.

                With all that said, we still have nine days until the trade deadline, and veritable torrents of water can go under the bridge between now and then. Obviously, Howard and Nash remain the focal points, but today I wanted to dig a little deeper.

                There's a second category of trades that a few teams specialize in, and it's one that's especially useful for teams trying to fill out a roster or rebuilding squads looking to build their talent base. I call it "body snatching," but the big-picture idea is to grab a promising player who has fallen out of favor with his current team. Often these players are available as throw-ins to a larger trade, and can represent some great value.

                Take Portland for instance. Everybody knows the Blazers are looking at assorted deals, especially for point guards, and would move valuable pieces to get them. And everybody, obviously, will ask for Nic Batum first. But what of Luke Babbitt and Elliot Williams? Those are two other promising players who have gotten very little run in Portland, and for that reason they might be had cheaply. Babbitt hasn't done jack in the NBA but put up huge numbers in the D-League; most players who do that eventually become respectable pros.

                As for Williams, the 22-year-old guard has just played some brief snippets this year after missing all of last season, but looked quite capable in his limited cameos. A scoring, slashing wing, he's a useful source of bench scoring on the right team.

                Those are two guys I'd be looking at if I were cutting a deal. Let me introduce you to a few other names that might make sense:


                Lopez
                Robin Lopez: Aside from all the Nash business, Phoenix is looking to dump its bad contracts. One option for a team dealing with the Suns is to ask for Lopez as the price of taking on a Hakim Warrick or a Josh Childress. From Phoenix's perspective it makes some sense too, as Marcin Gortat has taken over as the starting center and the Suns could make Channing Frye a fulltime backup 5 -- the spot where he's always played best.

                As a 23-year-old 7-footer Lopez obviously has some value; he may not be the league's most mobile big man but he plays hard and scores around the basket. The lone drawback is that the team acquiring him also needs to pay him; he's a restricted free agent after the season.


                Budinger
                Chase Budinger and Marcus Morris: Houston is heavily in the hunt for star talent, and these two would be near the top of my list if I were dealing with the Rockets. Budinger has fallen out of favor because of his defensive shortcomings -- it's very difficult to pair him on the wings with Kevin Martin, especially since they don't exactly have Bill Russell playing behind them -- but he can score and has arguably the best contract in the league ($885K next season). Morris was the 14th overall pick and thrashed the D-League during a brief stint down there, but has played only 19 minutes for the parent club after second-round pick Chandler Parsons beat him out.


                Daye
                Austin Daye: The background stuff is all good -- Daye is 23, under contract for a reasonable $2.9 million for next season and 6-11 with skill. There's just the little matter of his shooting 30.1 percent this season, which has caused him to fall out of Detroit's rotation entirely. I can't just dismiss a 400-minute sample with a 6.67 PER; on the other hand, he was a viable rotation player in his first two seasons, and I have to think the Pistons' glut of combo-forward types has made it more difficult for him to gain traction. A change of scenery might be good for everybody.


                Farmer
                Jordan Farmar: I've always been intrigued by Farmar's talent but he seemed to be heading nowhere fast. This year he's finally figured things out, it seems, averaging 19.5 points per 40 minutes and blowing away his career best in true shooting percentage at 60.0. Unfortunately, he's also backing up Deron Williams and would be better served by going someplace where he could start.

                He's still just 25 and has a favorable contract, although he may opt out of it and become a free agent; if so, keep an eye on him as an under-the-radar free agent. In the meantime, it's worth investigating if he can be had as a rider to any blockbuster deal involving the Nets and an unnamed Florida franchise.


                Thomas
                Tyrus Thomas: A "pay me to take him" type because of a contract that pays him $25 million over the three years after this one, Thomas nonetheless might be intriguing for the right team. He was devastatingly effective a year ago but has been suddenly awful this season, partly because he's played out of position at the 3 and partly because, well, he's been awful. He can be a handful, too. On the other hand he's only 25 years old and averaged nearly a point every two minutes a year ago; his 8.53 PER this year is dreadful but I have a hard time believing he's truly become this bad this quickly.


                Brackins
                Craig Brackins: OK, does anyone have any idea if this guy can play? Any at all? He's been in the NBA for two years but played a total of 60 minutes for the Sixers. With Philly's roster overstocked in the combo forward department, I don't see many more minutes in his future, and the Sixers didn't pick up his option for 2012-13. His D-League numbers from 18 games last season suggest he might be a useful pick-and-pop weapon; I'd imagine he'd be worth a flier for a rebuilding team.


                Harris
                Tobias Harris and Jon Leuer: File this under "we'll take Stephen Jackson IF …" Milwaukee's two rookies have both been very productive in limited minutes; Harris is obviously the more alluring of the two due to his youth and upside, but Leuer is a solid player, too -- a low-mistake, midrange shooting big who has the potential to develop a 3-point game. Both have PERs above the league average in limited minutes this year, and obviously getting one or both would make it much easier to swallow the $10 million Cap'n Jack is owed next year.


                Randolph
                Anthony Randolph: I know what you're thinking: been there, done that. But Randolph still may be worth a flier. His per-minute production remains extremely high; this season he's shooting a career-best 50.6 percent, and in four seasons he's never had a PER below 16.

                The Wolves seem in fairly good shape at the power forward position and would appear to have no need to keep Randolph beyond this season, but as a running 4 (or even a 5) in the right system Randolph should be able to thrive -- provided he can ditch that eyes-glazed-over routine and do a more convincing job of trying at both ends. He's still just 22, and the potential is obvious. With his being a restricted free agent after the season, the risk is also very low if he's obtained cheaply.


                Douglas
                Toney Douglas: It's not working out in New York, but I still think he can play, just not at point guard in a pick-and-roll-heavy system. Douglas forgot how to shoot this year (31.8 percent overall, 23.5 percent on 3s), but his two seasons before that he shot in the high 30s on 3s, suggesting he can be a lot more effective as a spot-up shooter if another ball handler is around to handle the decision-making. And defensively, Douglas is potentially very good. He's still too manic and plays guys too close, but he can defend both guard positions; he also still has one year left on a very favorable rookie contract.

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                • #53
                  Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                  I'd love to take a flier on Anthony Randolph is he came fairly cheap. He'd be a great low-risk, high-reward pickup, and, honestly, I don't see how he could possibly be as bad as Hansbrough has been this season.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                    I think we should do everything we can to get Boris Diaw. He is a team guy that could give us quality minutes. What I love about Diaw, is his passing abilty. He would be an outstanding facilitator with our second unit. With Tyler's sub-par play, you could put Diaw in as our backup PF.
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • #55
                      Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                      Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                      I'd love to take a flier on Anthony Randolph is he came fairly cheap. He'd be a great low-risk, high-reward pickup, and, honestly, I don't see how he could possibly be as bad as Hansbrough has been this season.
                      Randolph is talented, but Danny and Randolph don't get along. I don't think this would be a good chemistry fit.
                      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      • #56
                        Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                        I think we should do everything we can to get Boris Diaw. He is a team guy that could give us quality minutes. What I love about Diaw, is his passing abilty. He would be an outstanding facilitator with our second unit. With Tyler's sub-par play, you could put Diaw in as our backup PF.
                        i hope your joking diaw is fat and awful
                        Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                          Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                          i hope your joking diaw is fat and awful
                          I am not joking. I don't consider any player that is a triple-double threat on any given night as awful. Don't judge him on his play this season. He is stuck on the worst team in basketball, and has clearly mailed it in. Put him on a good team, and Boris would be a solid contributor.
                          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                          • #58
                            Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                            Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                            i hope your joking diaw is fat and awful
                            crawford isn't fat but he is awful

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                            • #59
                              Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              I am not joking. I don't consider any player that is a triple-double threat on any given night as awful. Don't judge him on his play this season. He is stuck on the worst team in basketball, and has clearly mailed it in. Put him on a good team, and Boris would be a solid contributor.
                              For most of his career he hasn't averaged a single double. Im not sure I would call him a triple double threat.

                              I would take him over Tyler right now though.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                                Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post

                                I have a hard time believing they saw that much in Henry after his terrible rookie season.

                                I guess you must not know Henry started over Mayo last year b4 he got injured and was out the rest of the season. Mayo was extremely upset over Henry starting over him.

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