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Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

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  • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

    this is what Boris Diaw looks like

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    • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      The Kaman to Pacers thing seems so obvious that I think I'll actually be a little disappointed if we don't actually make that come true.
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      http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-w...ng-greene-3712


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      Tony

      Do you think that Indy and NO will revisit the Kaman trade before the deadline? Unfortunately Foster is totally broken down physically, Amundson is performing admirably but I think Kaman makes Hansbrough much more effective on the second unit.

      Lang Greene

      Yes, I think Kaman discussion are open for business from everything I’ve heard. I don’tg think Indiana is at the core of those discussions. The chirpring I’ve heard abnout the Pacers recently have all revolved around shooting guard help … not another center.

      Dont know if true or not, but it seems we might be targeting a SG instead. I wish the Pacers would go all in for a package of Gordon and Kaman
      Sittin on top of the world!

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      • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        The Kaman to Pacers thing seems so obvious that I think I'll actually be a little disappointed if we don't actually make that come true.
        It's bizarre that it hasn't already happened. Think Kaman might have helped the rebounding and post scoring issues of the last 2 games?

        Not getting Kaman borders on the Colts skipping Luck and RG3 in the draft. Maybe the price is way out of bounds, but the rumors suggest it isn't.


        These are the two possible deals I put into a non-deals thread that I think would make this team flat-out bad ***.

        1) DC+1st round pick (23-26th) for Nash

        2) Tyler + 2nd round pick for Kaman.

        You do not thin the team because you replace your spots 1 for 1 this year. Nash and Kaman are clear upgrades on DC/Tyler. Both teams wouldn't mind getting that return. Saves cash and gets a serviceable bench/cheap starter for teams that are looking for exactly that.


        What if they don't resign?
        This is the risk, but look at how light that risk is. First you get all that cap space right back if they don't resign. You go into next summer in better shape than last even. You either make FA bids on guys or you go back into the "we can take your contract" situation where you are with Kaman now. In other words you continue to be a very favorable trade partner.

        You've lost 2 bench guys, maybe DC is a borderline starter. You've lost a mid-20s pick which could be a good player, a total bust, or another bench guy. So at worst you need a starting PG (which you didn't have) and 2 bench guys. You have massive cap space, these losses can easily be fixed.

        And this resign issue requires these players to make the run they would make with this roster, at their stages of their careers, and decide "nah, I don't want to do that again".

        Would Nash/Kaman walk away from money for another 2 years if the team made an solid ECF run at least?



        Rondo instead of Nash is better in terms of talent, but comes with a big chemistry risk and likely a higher price tag than just DC+25th pick.
        Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-08-2012, 02:11 PM.

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        • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

          I don't care how he looks like as long as he can still produce, his numbers for a backup are pretty good, we don't need him to start or to be our Batman, he is a solid bench player that could help guys like Tyler, DJ and Hill with his ability to pass the ball.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

            Naptown Seth I don't think you are allowed to talk about trades, I think you need to erase that before they close this thread.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

              Paul George doesn't go in any trade. He's the team's future All-Star and #1 player. He's bordering on that status already, especially given how many steals/disruptions he creates.

              If his offense tightens up (more consistent) then he's an all-star. Trade for Wade or Lebron, okay, and even then you start to get to where Paul's age helps because you can keep him longer. I wouldn't do Paul for Kobe at this point, for example. You are risking too much due to years*potential.

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              • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                I don't care how he looks like as long as he can still produce, his numbers for a backup are pretty good, we don't need him to start or to be our Batman, he is a solid bench player that could help guys like Tyler, DJ and Hill with his ability to pass the ball.
                I just don't really like the fit. He passes TOO much, seriously, so much that it becomes annoying. If he gets bought out I'd sign him, but I don't want to give up any assets for him or use 9 mil of our capspace.

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                • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Call me crazy but I would not mind getting Boris Diaw, him coming off the bench could be perfect, his ability to move the ball and pass it could help the second unit offense, his is in an expiring contract so there wouldn't be that much of a risk, it would also leave the Pacers open to make other trades.
                  I completely agree...diaw can also hit an open jumper...something we desperately need on the second group...

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                  • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                    We couldn't trade for Nash and Kaman, not for those packages anyway. Either one of them eliminates our capspace so the other would mean matching money going out.

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                    • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                      Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
                      I gave his credit on the assists several times already that new career high is no doubt sweet from a center. But the 18-11 in 46 isn't something all that impressive. Tyler's top burn is 31:47 this year he got 15-13 in the game and in the 17 games he's broke the 30 min mark in his career he's at 20.3 and 8.3 and he's only got to or past the 38 min mark once and that game was just 40:16 and it was a 29 point game.
                      Okay. Tyler is better than Kaman and would be putting up sick lines if he had enough talent to play big minutes.

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                      • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                        I just don't really like the fit. He passes TOO much, seriously, so much that it becomes annoying. If he gets bought out I'd sign him, but I don't want to give up any assets for him or use 9 mil of our capspace.
                        He passes too much? Good, that's pretty much what we need in the second unit, somebody that can make passes and create for others, we already have a bunch of black holes that won't pass the ball, putting Diaw with that unit would automatically makes them better.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • Originally posted by spreedom View Post
                          Okay. Tyler is better than Kaman and would be putting up sick lines if he had enough talent to play big minutes.
                          I hope this was intended to be green

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                          • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Naptown Seth I don't think you are allowed to talk about trades, I think you need to erase that before they close this thread.
                            Well I understand the desire to not have threads turn into "ESPN trade machine" fodder, but we are coming up on the deadline and both players discussed are rumored as possible trades in an article cited in this thread.

                            Just like
                            Danny+AJ for Kaman+Gordon+Vasquez or something would be interesting.
                            didn't get a thread-lock.

                            Not to mention that Hicks could just ask for a post-revision if it's causing problems. Why in the world would he (or other) lock the entire thread?


                            There's a difference between light trade discussions and posting 20 different scenarios you dreamed up 2 weeks into the season. Or as Pacerized put it
                            I agree, we need to be able to discuss legit trade rumors and the players involved. It's different when someone starts posting fantasy trade ideas.
                            Excessive, often fantastical trade scenarios started to bog down threads and front page discussions. Thus the shift to it's own area. But 7 days till the deadline going over players in primary discussions and in some cases rumored to be a perfect fit for Indy? That's a regular topic.


                            If the thread fills up with Danny+Roy+George for Bynum + pick + Harden type of posts, then I can see people asking for the thread to be moved.

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                            • Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              He passes too much? Good, that's pretty much what we need in the second unit, somebody that can make passes and create for others, we already have a bunch of black holes that won't pass the ball, putting Diaw with that unit would automatically makes them better.
                              Diaw is a guy who fits into whatever role he needs to...such a good glue guy...I actually kinda like that he put on a little weight, he will battle down low a little better now...

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                              • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                                We couldn't trade for Nash and Kaman, not for those packages anyway. Either one of them eliminates our capspace so the other would mean matching money going out.
                                Yeah, I thought about that after the fact. I wasn't sure if the outgoing money of DC/TH would cover the difference or not.

                                So I guess if we believe the Crawford rumor than clearly the team would have to be sending players to cover costs if they intended to also go after Kaman. I haven't looked at his salary numbers.


                                I think Nash would be a huge help, but not only does it appear that PHX is holding up things but nothing suggests the Pacers are even considering that situation. Funny how with Hill off the bench you still need a SG (according to rumor).

                                Maybe TPTB are doing a misdirect on Kaman front?

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