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Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

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  • #16
    Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

    Originally posted by Speed View Post
    The Lou comment from Vogel is because Jeff is out and the speculation is that Bird may make a move to replace Jeff, since he's not healthy. Vogel is saying I have confidence in Lou. These comments have nothing to do with Tyler in anyway, imo.
    Ah, that makes sense. You're probably right. Giving it more thought, it would be ridiculous of Vogel to leak something like a Hans trade.
    https://soundcloud.com/geoclipse

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    • #17
      Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

      Nets Could Begin Trading Assets If Magic Keep Howard


      Brook Lopez will miss the next three weeks due to a sprained ankle, but the Nets intend to still remain active in trade talks before the March 15th deadline.

      Lopez has been the centerpiece of trade discussions with the Magic for Dwight Howard.

      “I know the speculation is, ‘What do we do now?’ ’’ King said. “But we’ve got a good young center (in Lopez); we’ve got a great point guard (Deron Williams). There’s other things I’ll look to do.

      “We have flexibility cap-wise,’’ King continued. “But at the end of the day, I want a healthy Brook Lopez and (don’t want to) worry about making trades at this point in regards of moving Brook Lopez. It’s about trying to add to this team.’’

      King said he will “look at other things that I was already talking about doing with other teams’’ before the deadline.

      “I had some things on the table that I’m exploring that will maybe create more cap space for us in the future — maybe bring some more players or some key pieces as we go forward,’’ he said.

      If it is clear the Magic will keep Howard, the Nets may begin selling off assets that don't figure in their long-term plans.

      Mehmet Okur, DeShawn Stevenson, Kris Humphries, Sundiata Gaines, Shelden Williams and Damion James are all on expiring deals.
      Morrow and Farmar are guys we could use off the bench
      Originally posted by Piston Prince
      Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
      "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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      • #18
        Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

        I don't really understand the problem with the other thread on this subject, but okay! Round two, let's do it.

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        • #19
          Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

          Originally posted by cdash View Post
          I don't really understand the problem with the other thread on this subject, but okay! Round two, let's do it.
          The other thread degenerated into proposed trades and lots of commentary on them instead of being published rumors and articles and associated commentary.
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #20
            Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

            Originally posted by yoadknux View Post
            Morrow and Farmar are guys we could use off the bench
            Humphries is really underated, imo. If Tyler does get used in a larger trade, I'd jump to get him as his replacement, even as a rental.

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            • #21
              Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

              Originally posted by Speed View Post
              Humphries is really underated, imo. If Tyler does get used in a larger trade, I'd jump to get him as his replacement, even as a rental.
              I was against signing Humphries in the offseason, but have really come around on his game. I think he would be a GREAT compliment to our team, esp Roy. If we could somehow manage to turn Hans and some Cap room into Morrow and Humphries, I think we would be in good shape moving forward.

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              • #22
                Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                I was against signing Humphries in the offseason, but have really come around on his game. I think he would be a GREAT compliment to our team, esp Roy. If we could somehow manage to turn Hans and some Cap room into Morrow and Humphries, I think we would be in good shape moving forward.
                I think he got a bad rap on the court for his off the court celeb, maybe. I also think he's improving, especially offensively. He' going to be a top 10 rebounder, its just a matter if he plays defense consistently and how much he can continue to improve. I like his game, it would be interesting to see what he'd do on a good team. I'm always leary of those guys.

                Also, seeing him interact with the other Nets players, I think he's likely a good teammate, but I don't know that for sure, but that was the impression I have gotten.

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                • #23
                  Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                  Originally posted by Speed View Post
                  I think he got a bad rap on the court for his off the court celeb, maybe. I also think he's improving, especially offensively. He' going to be a top 10 rebounder, its just a matter if he plays defense consistently and how much he can continue to improve. I like his game, it would be interesting to see what he'd do on a good team. I'm always leary of those guys.

                  Also, seeing him interact with the other Nets players, I think he's likely a good teammate, but I don't know that for sure, but that was the impression I have gotten.
                  This is true, but with what we've seen of Hans this year, it may be worth finding out how good a player like Humphries could be. (not a Tyler hater, but I think it's obvious he is not the future for us at that position) Humphries is fairly inexpensive, and if he doesn't work maybe we sign another player OR we draft a young athletic PF.

                  Aside from PG, I feel like our second biggest need is an athletic 4 man.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                    Originally posted by Speed View Post
                    Humphries is really underated, imo. If Tyler does get used in a larger trade, I'd jump to get him as his replacement, even as a rental.
                    I didn't mention Humph because he has more trade value than Morrow/Farmar.
                    They don't really have a reason to trade him.
                    Originally posted by Piston Prince
                    Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
                    "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"

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                    • #25
                      Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                      Originally posted by Speed View Post
                      I think he got a bad rap on the court for his off the court celeb, maybe. I also think he's improving, especially offensively. He' going to be a top 10 rebounder, its just a matter if he plays defense consistently and how much he can continue to improve. I like his game, it would be interesting to see what he'd do on a good team. I'm always leary of those guys.

                      Also, seeing him interact with the other Nets players, I think he's likely a good teammate, but I don't know that for sure, but that was the impression I have gotten.
                      I don't think the Nets really want to afford Humphries but he was too good not to bring back and he seemingly wanted to be in NY. He seems like a guy who is all about the bigger cities, IMO. When he was a younger kid he was very brash and arrogant, to where it hurt his relationships with a lot of other ballers his age. That is a big reason why he is one of the more disliked players in the league.

                      As for his talent, he really has improved his shot blocking over the last year and a half. That was my biggest concern with going after him in the off-season, where he would just be a more expensive replica of Tyler. I think if we could make a deal with the Nets for him, it would be a great fit for a playoff run. We would have West, Hibbert, Humphries, and Hansborough, all tough players who are pretty physical. That is a lot of rebounding and beef up front for teams to deal with. I would love to swing something for the guy, especially since the Nets would rescind his Bird Rights in order to sign someone else this off-season anyway.

                      I think he could really do well coming off the bench for us and give us some shot blocking we lack in the front court outside of Hibbert. It might also allow us to send Hansborough and Collison out in a trade for an upgrade at PG.

                      He would obviously prevent us from going out and getting Kaman, who is a country boy at heart and would probably love to play in Indy, depending on his role I'm sure.
                      "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                      • #26
                        Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                        Ford: Timberwolves Talking With Blazers; Pacers Eye Crawford?


                        A couple of NBA trade rumor notes from a Chad Ford chat at ESPN.com, including buzz surrounding Portland Trail Blazers guard Jamal Crawford...
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                        David Kahn really wants this [Timberwolves] team to make the playoffs. Whether that's [Michael] Beasley, [Luke] Ridnour or even someone like Derrick Williams, I think they make a move ... [Jamal] Crawford can opt out of his deal this summer so he won't cost much. I think the Blazers and Wolves are talking about a swap for [Luke] Ridnour.

                        On the Indiana Pacers

                        I don't think they are actively trying to shake up the team. [Chris] Kaman and [O.J.] Mayo, however, are both players they're interested in. Jamal Crawford as well.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                          I would love to have Mayo, Crawford or Kaman added to this team... We can't give up much for them other than money though.

                          Unless we make seperate moves to fill in the holes.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                            It will be interesting if they keep losing up to the deadline, its possible. Not that Bird would make a knee-jerk reaction, but if he sees they aren't playoff ready and he can add a piece, I'm not sure the whole idea that they want to stay put is as a sure thing as it was coming off a 6 game win streak.

                            I do see the Crawford and Mayo thing in play, again. Morway/Bird find guys they like and don't seem to waiver. I'm not sure either guy is the answer here, honestly.

                            They really miss Jeff Foster and need another big, imo. Maybe a more accurate statement is they miss Tyler Hansbrough.

                            I think AJs minutes start to go away and we'll see a tigher rotation featuring more George Hill. They did that last night, it seemed. I'm fine with more George Hill as he rounds back into form, I'd like to see them pick up another rotation big.

                            Nothing against Lou, love the guy, but I'm not sure he's an every night guy, not unles we get back Tyler from this time last year. When Tyler is not giving them what he did last year, Lou's minutes become more difficult to swallow, imo. Kamen would be a really nice fit, unless someone locates Tylers game, then I think they are good.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                              Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                              Ford: Timberwolves Talking With Blazers; Pacers Eye Crawford?


                              A couple of NBA trade rumor notes from a Chad Ford chat at ESPN.com, including buzz surrounding Portland Trail Blazers guard Jamal Crawford...
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                              David Kahn really wants this [Timberwolves] team to make the playoffs. Whether that's [Michael] Beasley, [Luke] Ridnour or even someone like Derrick Williams, I think they make a move ... [Jamal] Crawford can opt out of his deal this summer so he won't cost much. I think the Blazers and Wolves are talking about a swap for [Luke] Ridnour.

                              On the Indiana Pacers

                              I don't think they are actively trying to shake up the team. [Chris] Kaman and [O.J.] Mayo, however, are both players they're interested in. Jamal Crawford as well.
                              ewwww, i don't want crawford. Was happy as hell when he chose portland. Look what he has done for them. NOTHING.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                                I'm fully expecting the next round of "O.J. Mayo to the Pacers" to start up any day now. I'm being completely serious.

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