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Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

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  • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

    Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
    Was a good game but he did play 45:59 and he's isn't going to come close to that here. He did get a new high in assists but actually lowered all the rest of his PER36 numbers across the board.

    These two sentences make me hate advanced statistics. The first thing that you thought of was "Yeah, but it's only because he played 46 minutes," really? Give me a break.

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    • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

      Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
      Was a good game but he did play 45:59 and he's isn't going to come close to that here. He did get a new high in assists but actually lowered all the rest of his PER36 numbers across the board.

      New Orleans as a franchise seems to hand out more 45+ games than anyone else, or at least feels that way to me. When DC was there racking up dimes he was playing over 40 a night as a starter. I remember a game last year that West played the all but 30 seconds of a OT game and had a steak of something like 49 consecutive minutes of floor time over two games.

      Kaman isn't going to be getting starter minutes as a Pacer. Those results are as a starter playing heavy minutes, BUT it does show what he truly can actually do. That in itself is more important than 36's which is a bunch of theoretical possible tripe.

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      • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

        Originally posted by spreedom View Post
        These two sentences make me hate advanced statistics. The first thing that you thought of was "Yeah, but it's only because he played 46 minutes," really? Give me a break.
        The 8 assists are no doubt great but 18 and 11 isn't some amazing of a line for a whole game of center. That's slightly more than big Roy's average ia and he plays less than 30 a game and has only reached the lever of shots he Kaman took 7 times this year.

        When we played the Kings Roy had 13-8-4 in 25:46 so just 5-3-4 less in 20:13 less time. So even with CK having the better line Roy had the better game of those two.

        PER36 would be..
        18.0, 11.1 and 5.5 for Roy
        14.1, 8.6 and 6.3 for Kaman

        Roy's projected line over 46 when we played the Kings would been 23, 14 and 7.

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        • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

          Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
          The 8 assists are no doubt great but 18 and 11 isn't some amazing of a line for a whole game of center. That's slightly more than big Roy's average ia and he plays less than 30 a game and has only reached the lever of shots he Kaman took 7 times this year.

          When we played the Kings Roy had 13-8-4 in 25:46 so just 5-3-4 less in 20:13 less time. So even with CK having the better line Roy had the better game of those two.

          PER36 would be..
          18.0, 11.1 and 5.5 for Roy
          14.1, 8.6 and 6.3 for Kaman

          Roy's projected line over 46 when we played the Kings would been 23, 14 and 7.

          If Roy could stay on the court for 46 minutes, which we know he couldn't. PER36 numbers can be useful in some cases, but to take anything away from an 18/11/8 line is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it's stupid.

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          • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            Kaman isn't going to be getting starter minutes as a Pacer. Those results are as a starter playing heavy minutes, BUT it does show what he truly can actually do. That in itself is more important than 36's which is a bunch of theoretical possible tripe.
            Kaman is good enough that he would absolutely get starters minutes. He'd get all the backup center minutes and plenty of time at the 4 where he's already proven effective. You don't bring in someone as that good and not play him to the teams advantage. I could see Kaman and Roy both getting around 30 min. while Tyler's role is reduced, Lou is gone, and ultimatley Jone's loses minutes while we go big at the backup 3 instead of playing a 2 guard there.

            Regarding the game, I noticed the 46 minutes as well and he wouldn't get that kind of time here. At least he's proven that he's healthy and can handle the minutes. We should thank N.O. for getting him into game shape these past few weeks.

            If we bring Kaman in this would be the best team he's ever played for. I hope that he'd like getting a taste for winning and the playoffs and want to stick around.
            Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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            • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

              Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
              Kaman is good enough that he would absolutely get starters minutes. He'd get all the backup center minutes and plenty of time at the 4 where he's already proven effective. You don't bring in someone as that good and not play him to the teams advantage. I could see Kaman and Roy both getting around 30 min. while Tyler's role is reduced, Lou is gone, and ultimatley Jone's loses minutes while we go big at the backup 3 instead of playing a 2 guard there.

              Regarding the game, I noticed the 46 minutes as well and he wouldn't get that kind of time here. At least he's proven that he's healthy and can handle the minutes. We should thank N.O. for getting him into game shape these past few weeks.

              If we bring Kaman in this would be the best team he's ever played for. I hope that he'd like getting a taste for winning and the playoffs and want to stick around.
              I also think that having a backup C that can score will really help Hans.
              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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              • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                Anybody got a sense as to when the potential Howard trade will be settled? Apparently no big rumors until that is resolved. Does that mean nothing may happen until 24 hours before the deadline?
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  I don't care what the stat line is, Kaman will bring exactly what we need. Twin Towers! If Danny finds his shot and Paul, Hill, Collison can play without hurting the team. Pacers will be a tough out in the playoffs.
                  Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                  • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    Anybody got a sense as to when the potential Howard trade will be settled? Apparently no big rumors until that is resolved. Does that mean nothing may happen until 24 hours before the deadline?
                    Everything I've read makes it sound like they have no plans to trade him at all.

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                    • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                      http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ne-approaches/

                      Pau Gasol remaining calm as trade deadline approaches

                      Over the next week, Pau Gasol’s name is going to come up a lot in rumored trade talks. Most of which have little if any foundation, but the rumors will be out there.

                      Gasol said it doesn’t bother him anymore. He’s moved past it.

                      Here is what he said, via the Los Angeles Daily News.

                      “I don’t know what the state the moves and (team’s) intentions are right now,” Gasol said the other day when asked about his phone conversation with Kupchak. “I have an understanding where things are, where he stands and where I stand.

                      “(Kupchak) told me just play the way you play. Keep playing hard and keep playing well and then we’ll see. It was kind of calming to have that feedback.”

                      Except for a tough game against Miami (where LeBron James did a good job defensively on him), Gasol has shot over 54 percent in each of the last six games. He has looked like his old self.

                      The Lakers were ready to move Gasol before the season in a three-team deal that netted them Chris Paul. That made sense — Paul is one of the 10 or so transcendent superstar players in the NBA. Gasol is a 1A guy — the guy who needs to be paired with an elite guy.

                      However, the Lakers are just like the Celtics with Rajon Rondo (who also were willing to move that player for CP3) — unless you are getting a true superstar back, there is no point in trading the guy in all these rumors. The Lakers are not shopping Gasol around. If you want him, you better have a Dwight Howard level player to send back.

                      Gasol didn’t like seeing his name in all the rumors, but he has clearly learned to deal with it.

                      I've heard speculation that the Rockets may be willing to trade Lowry/Scola for Pau. I wonder if we'd get in the Gasol sweepstakes.

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                      • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                        Originally posted by spreedom View Post
                        If Roy could stay on the court for 46 minutes, which we know he couldn't. PER36 numbers can be useful in some cases, but to take anything away from an 18/11/8 line is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it's stupid.
                        I'm sure Roy could play 46 too if he rarely ever played hard defense to avoiding foul trouble like Kaman does. The 8 assists part was no doubt great but I find it silly to act like 18-11 from a center playing against the Kings for 46 of 48 is some kind of awesome game, If you do then that's cool.

                        We've disrupted this thread enough on a OT topic so I guess we will have to agree to disagree to avoid losing control of this new thread like we did the old one.

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                        • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                          Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
                          We've disrupted this thread enough on a OT topic so I guess we will have to agree to disagree to avoid losing control of this new thread like we did the old one.
                          What's the point of having a thread if you can't talk about the rumors? The other rumor thread shouldn't had been locked, maybe then we could talk in that one and leave this one for non talking. Post only rumor thread as it was designed to be in the first place.
                          Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                          • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            He was 18/11/8 last night. 8 asts!!!! Almost a triple double. Pull the darn trigger Bird and quit puzzyfooting around!
                            He is being showcased. He played all but two minutes of last nights game, which is quite impressive.

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                            • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                              Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
                              I'm sure Roy could play 46 too if he rarely ever played hard defense to avoiding foul trouble like Kaman does. The 8 assists part was no doubt great but I find it silly to act like 18-11 from a center playing against the Kings for 46 of 48 is some kind of awesome game, If you do then that's cool.

                              We've disrupted this thread enough on a OT topic so I guess we will have to agree to disagree to avoid losing control of this new thread like we did the old one.
                              http://www.nba.com/video/games/kings/2012/03/07/00211

                              It looks like he's putting some effort on defense.
                              Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                              • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                                Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
                                I'm sure Roy could play 46 too if he rarely ever played hard defense to avoiding foul trouble like Kaman does. The 8 assists part was no doubt great but I find it silly to act like 18-11 from a center playing against the Kings for 46 of 48 is some kind of awesome game, If you do then that's cool.
                                I do think it's an awesome game. To get a near triple double from a center is impressive. To chalk it up to being a product of playing the whole game is stupidity.

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