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  • Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/coach-brea...wn-paul-george

    Quick Breakdown: Paul George

    Paul George has enjoyed a strong second professional season thusfar. Capable of a highlight play on almost every trip, George is averaging 12 points, nearly 6 rebounds, and has started every game for the 22-12 Indiana Pacers. He is ranked around the middle of the pack amongst starting NBA shooting guards when it comes to PER (15.6 is only slightly above average overall, however), and his body type, athleticism, and enthusiasm has led many to predict big things for the 6’8 guard.

    It is without a doubt that Paul George oozes potential. The first thing you notice is how he looks – George’s length and athleticism are obvious to any observer. His pure length rivals that of players like Kevin Durant and Corey Brewer. He possesses smooth movement patterns, and any herky-jerkiness in his game is deliberate rather than accidental. His body moves fluidly, all as one piece, and he appears refined and bouncy in nearly every attack situation.

    There are many things to like beyond the fact that he passes nearly any NBA “eye-test” with flying colors. George displays good tendencies that you typically see in smaller guards that make him very difficult to guard at his size. He attacks off two feet often, giving him the ability to control his finishes better and take a physical bump but continue on to complete the play. He changes directions well, often making small adjustments mid move that allow him better attack angles at the end.

    George does not waste a lot of space on drives. His length and quickness form a lethal combination when it comes to face-up attacks, as he gets by the shoulder of his defender and is in the lane after barely a full stride. This straight line drive eliminates any curvature or banana shape to his attack, and makes him much more deadly against help defenses.

    A talented passer, George looks like he is willing and able to get his teammates involved despite an average of just over two assists per game. He is scary in transition, and stationed at the top of the key is able to fit the ball into small areas and throw it over the top of defenders as well. Speaking of defense, George is a plus on-ball defender, using length to take up space against his opponents, and does not shy away from contact.

    With all that said, some of his youthful tendencies are not quite as positive. George will go through entire series of possessions where he disappears completely in the halfcourt setting. He gets caught standing around too much without the ball, unengaged with his team and not threatening the defense with his ability to score.

    Because so many of his drives come so easily to him, he tends to give up when he encounters resistance a little too quickly. This leads to him settling for pull-ups and contested long jumpers, both of which are low percentage shots for him right now (especially long, contested 2s, which are the worst shot in basketball). In those situations, George needs to either create passing angles and get the ball back to attack again or he needs to work on his ability to push past that defender using counters and change of speed to continue his attack. It also makes his overall shot selection suspect, as he simply can’t make some of the shots he takes.

    While his on-ball defense is a plus, George’s off-ball defense is not as good. He often gets caught halfway when off-the-ball: he ends up reaching in on attacking opponents, doesn’t really get in position to force them into a decision, and leaves teammates out to dry just a little too much. One thing he will need to learn is to either commit his body or not, and that going halfway is a recipe for disaster (both for him personally, as he looks lost, and for his team, because without commitment they don’t know exactly where he’ll be).

    George has been compared to a young Tracy McGrady. This seems an unfair comparison, as he looks to me like much more of a stat sheet stuffer than an assassin-like scorer. He needs to think about the overall impact he can have on a game as a shooter and all-around playmaker (like a Steve Smith). The value he can bring a club comes from his overall skillset rather than just his ability to score.

    A matchup problem for many teams around the league, Paul George looks like the kind of player who can be a starter for a championship contender, and maybe a threshold all-star if things come together over the next few years. He may not be the untouchable solution that some make him out to be, but his value is considerable and his contributions will be many over the next few years.


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    Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

    This is a pretty good write-up, though I have a quibble with this part:

    "He changes directions well, often making small adjustments mid move that allow him better attack angles at the end."

    This is a part of his game that is still developing, especially in traffic - I wouldn't say he does it well just yet, but he's getting there. Lots of people have commented on how he would barrel into the paint for an offensive foul seemingly once or twice per game dating back to last year. He usually made a nice off the dribble move to get there and then, for whatever reason (I think partly due to his high dribble, which doesn't help his overall balance), couldn't avoid running into the opposing player who was well set to take the charge.

    It was just a few games before the All-Star break when I noticed improvement in this area. He is now sometimes able to slide his feet a little better to avoid hitting the defensive player square on.I expect defenses will make an adjustment and so then we will see if PG can develop this skill further.
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      Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

      That's a fantastic writeup. Dude knows his basketball.

      A lot of this we've all seen, but I hadn't ever noticed the two-feet thing. I'll watch for that next game.
      This space for rent.

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        Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

        It is without a doubt that Paul George oozes potential. The first thing you notice is how he looks – George’s length and athleticism are obvious to any observer. His pure length rivals that of players like Kevin Durant and Corey Brewer. He possesses smooth movement patterns, and any herky-jerkiness in his game is deliberate rather than accidental. His body moves fluidly, all as one piece, and he appears refined and bouncy in nearly every attack situation.
        I've been saying this since Day One after watching some YouTube videos prior to the NBA Draft. Paul George has BEAUTIFUL body control overall. Very smooth and silky. LOL...I believe I even used the word "sexy" once...yeah, I know. That sounds gay.





        George has been compared to a young Tracy McGrady. This seems an unfair comparison, as he looks to me like much more of a stat sheet stuffer than an assassin-like scorer. He needs to think about the overall impact he can have on a game as a shooter and all-around playmaker (like a Steve Smith). The value he can bring a club comes from his overall skillset rather than just his ability to score.
        After watching some additional video, the true conclusion is that he has the body movement of Kevin Durant, BUT the body build of Tracy McGrady.
        Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 03-04-2012, 03:54 PM.


        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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          Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

          Second coming of George Gervin, perhaps?



          Paul George's layup highlight....so smooth.



          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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            Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
            Second coming of George Gervin, perhaps?
            or maybe derrick mckey with a jump shot.

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              Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

              Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
              or maybe derrick mckey with a 3PT shot.
              Fixed .


              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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              • #8
                Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                Or a more athletic Tayshaun Prince.
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                  Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                  Or a more athletic Tayshaun Prince.
                  I don't get this comparison at all.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                    How bout the first coming of Paul George!
                    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                    • #11
                      Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                      Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                      How bout the first coming of Paul George!
                      See...someone always want to be the first. We need carbon copies of previously great players.

                      Should I use the green font, lol?


                      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                        Or a more athletic Tayshaun Prince.
                        Today maybe that's an okay comparison. As Paul George grows it won't last long.

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                          Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                          Originally posted by righteouscool View Post
                          I don't get this comparison at all.
                          people forget how good tayshaun was back in 2004/5.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                            I liked Steve Smith. But he was a third option in a decent team. If we want to be contenders then PG needs to be more of a scorer.

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                              Re: Coach: Breaking Down Paul George

                              Steve Smith is a strange comparison. Paul's game isn't much like Steve's. Paul is an athlete. Steve is probably below average in that category. Great player with good skills, but you'd never see him dunk over Roy Hibbert. Also, I don't think Steve was a great defender. Paul is capable of that.

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