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    Basically they have royally screwed themselves for years to come.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...2_a2&eref=sihp

    NEW YORK (AP) -- New Orleans Saints players and at least one assistant coach maintained a bounty program the last three seasons for inflicting game-ending injuries on opposing players, including Brett Favre and Kurt Warner - a pool that reached as much as $50,000 and paid specific amounts for "cart-offs" and "knockouts," the NFL said Friday.

    The report said the pool amounts reached their height in 2009, the year the Saints won the Super Bowl.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1o0HaV3SK
    Apparently this went on in subsequent years (including last year). It's crazy that they got away with this for so long.
    Also - I'm guessing Peyton Manning and/or Tom Brady's bounty must've been off the charts.
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    maybe they'll have to forfeit their super bowl win...

    that's just crazy though. this is a sport and they're promoting hurting other players...

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    maybe they'll have to forfeit their super bowl win...

    that's just crazy though. this is a sport and they're promoting hurting other players...
    That would be pointless

    Besides this happens all this time this is just on record

    People seem to forget this happened with Buddy Ryan's Eagles in the 80's as well.

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    Besides this happens all this time this is just on record
    People seem to forget this happened with Buddy Ryan's Eagles in the 80's as well.
    The point isn't that this has happened in the past. The NFL has been putting an emphasis on protecting players from injuries for the past few years, and what the Saints have been doing is a direct violation of that. The 80's were a different era. I agree that other teams could possibly be doing this right now... but the Saints got caught and now they'll have to deal with it.

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    The point isn't that this has happened in the past. The NFL has been putting an emphasis on protecting players from injuries for the past few years, and what the Saints have been doing is a direct violation of that. The 80's were a different era. I agree that other teams could possibly be doing this right now... but the Saints got caught and now they'll have to deal with it.
    While that's a valid point I find it hard to take Goodell seriously when this is the same guy who swept Spygate under the rug.

    Don't get me wrong I didn't care about Spygate either as I think other teams do it as well the Pats were the ones to get caught however you sweep one "scandal" under the wrong but pound fists over another just seems hypocritical no?

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    While that's a valid point I find it hard to take Goodell seriously when this is the same guy who swept Spygate under the rug.

    Don't get me wrong I didn't care about Spygate either as I think other teams do it as well the Pats were the ones to get caught however you sweep one "scandal" under the wrong but pound fists over another just seems hypocritical no?
    sorry but spygate doesnt come close to this. especially with all the **** the NFL is getting for concussions now.

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    maybe they'll have to forfeit their super bowl win...
    How would that even work? Would it be too late to have a parade?

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    How would that even work? Would it be too late to have a parade?
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    They are in SERIOUS trouble over this. HUGE fines and loss of multiple draft picks at the very least. I would almost guarantee that Gregg Williams and maybe even Sean Payton will be suspended over this. People will look at this from the outside and think maybe this isn;t that big of a deal, but I would bet that everyone will be really surprised by the punishment handed down here.

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    This used to be pretty common. Jerry Glanville did it all the time as coach of the Oilers and Falcons. But then the league was very specific about how it cannot go on, or else. We are about to find out "or else what"

    One possible punishment is loss of the franchise tag, which would make Brees a free agent.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...franchise-tag/

    They won't win the bidding war with the teams way under the cap.

    Then maybe they turn to.... hometown guy Peyton Manning??
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    I'm guessing Peyton Manning and/or Tom Brady's bounty must've been off the charts.
    Didn't have to be. Porter knocked out Manning with his interception. Matter of fact, he knocked out the whole Colts team with that pick.

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    Jerry Glanville did it all the time as coach of the Oilers and Falcons.
    When he wasn't waiting on Elvis to pick up his tickets at the will-call window.

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    Holy crap! I thought it was some kind of joke until I read the article!
    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
    "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetimeís worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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    I wouldn't be suprised to see Gregg Williams get suspended for a year, or worse. More reports coming out he did this before he came to the Saints as well.

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    Gregg Williams was also the DC of the Redskins when this happened:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...5ONK_blog.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nBxHse5s74
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    I swear we are a cursed team

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...4015992.column
    Prices were set on Saturday nights in the team hotel.

    In a makeshift meeting room, with the whisper of evening traffic pouring in from the Beltway, we laid our bounties on opposing players. We targeted big names, our sights set on taking them out of the game.



    Price tags started low during the regular season — a couple hundred bucks for going after the quarterback hard or taking a running back out below the knees. Chop him down and give a quick smile when you got back to the huddle. You just got a bonus.

    The pot was collected throughout the season through fines. Show up late? Ding. Blow an assignment during practice? Again. Walk on the field with your chinstrap unbuckled. Again. Break the rules, you gave to the bank.

    The cash was kept stashed away at the team facility, in safe hands. After coaches reviewed Sunday's film, we paid it back out. Our accountability, governed by our accounting.

    That's right. We got paid for big hits, clean hits by the rule book.

    Money came in for more than watching a guy leave the field. We earned extra for interceptions, sacks and forced fumbles. If the till wasn't paid out, we just rolled it over.

    Money jumped in the playoffs. A bigger stage equaled more coin. Instead of a few hundred dollars, now you got a thousand, maybe more, depending on the player.

    That's the truth. I can't sugarcoat this. It was a system we all bought into.

    I ate it up.

    It's hard not to, not when you're playing for a coach like Gregg Williams, my defensive coordinator while I was with the Washington Redskins.

    Williams is an excellent motivator. You do what he wants: play tough, push the envelope and carry a swagger that every opponent sees on tape. When you lined up against us, you knew we were coming after you. It was our gig, our plan, our way to motivate, to extra-motivate.

    I wanted to be That Guy for him, playing the game with an attitude opposing players absolutely feared. If that meant playing through the whistle or going low on a tackle, I did it.

    I don't regret any part of it. I can't. Williams is the best coach I ever played for in my years in the NFL, a true teacher who developed me as a player. I believed in him. I still do. That will never change.

    Your career exists in a short window, one that starts closing the moment it opens. If making a play to impress a coach or win a game pushes that window up an inch before it slams back down on your fingers, then you do what has to be done.

    Some day, when my three sons grow up, I will make clear to them that this league isn't for everyone. No doubt, it can be downright disgusting living by a win-at-all-costs mentality. It's a fundamental part of the NFL's culture that isn't talked about outside of team facilities.

    I'm not saying it's right. Or ethical. But the NFL isn't little league football with neighborhood dads playing head coach. This is the business of winning. If that means stepping over some line, you do it.

    Bounties, cheap shots, whatever you want to call them, they are a part of this game. It is an ugly tradition that was exposed Friday with Williams front and center from his time coaching the defense in New Orleans. But don't peg this on him alone. You will find it in plenty of NFL cities.

    Win or else. That's the drill.
    I agree with Bowen it is part of the game. This is being blown way out of proportion IMO this is the NFL this isn't college I cant believe they are going to take draft picks away.

    He is one of my favorite sports guys watch him a lot on Chicago Tribune Live

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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...4015992.column

    I agree with Bowen it is part of the game. This is being blown way out of proportion IMO this is the NFL this isn't college I cant believe they are going to take draft picks away.

    He is one of my favorite sports guys watch him a lot on Chicago Tribune Live
    The NFL is being sued and the Saints have opened themselves to the same so it is a big deal when players are purposely trying to maim players. We're talking money now.

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    I agree with Bowen it is part of the game. This is being blown way out of proportion IMO this is the NFL this isn't college I cant believe they are going to take draft picks away.

    He is one of my favorite sports guys watch him a lot on Chicago Tribune Live
    It is not part of the game. The game is making plays on the ball. It should not consist of deliberately taking guys out. Everyone on the planet understands that the NFL is an inherently risky sport and that injuries are going to happen. There is a big enough risk of guys getting injured when players are merely trying to make honest football plays. But when world class athletes are *deliberately* trying to take guys out then that multiples the risk of severe injury by an insane factor.

    This is not being blown out of proportion. Gregg Williams defenses are responsible for deliberate brutal hits on three of the greatest QB's ever. The Warner hit practically knocked him into retirement. As Shade mentioned above, the Saints were clearly trying to take Favre out of that game. And just watch that video of the 2006 Manning hit. They are clearly trying to rip his head off. I've watched practically every game that Manning has played and he has never looked as visibly heated as he did there. He understood damn well that the Redskins player was deliberately trying to hurt him. Dungy, who was closer to Manning than anyone, said that Manning wasn't quite the same after that and I believe him.

    The NFL has been under a ton of heat lately for injuries and the long term health of players. No one should be surprised when they lay the hammer on the Saints. An example must be made of them. Merely punishing Williams does nothing to hurt the Saints since he is no longer there. They should take multiple draft picks away and penalize Payton as well. No head coach should get away with turning their head on something like this, ESPECIALLY since he turned his head after the NFL warned them.
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    It is not part of the game. The game is making plays on the ball. It should not consistent of deliberately taking guys out. Everyone on the planet understands that the NFL is an inherently risky sport and that injuries are going to happen. There is a big enough risk of guys getting injured when players are merely trying to make honest football plays. But when world class athletes are *deliberately* trying to take guys out then that multiples the risk of severe injury by an insane factor.

    This is not being blown out of proportion. Gregg Williams defenses are responsible for deliberate brutal hits on three of the greatest QB's ever. The Warner hit practically knocked him into retirement. As Shade mentioned above, the Saints were clearly trying to take Favre out of that game. And just watch that video of the 2006 Manning hit. They are clearly trying to rip his head off. I've watched practically every game that Manning has played and he has never looked as visibly heated as he did there. He understood damn well that the Redskins player was deliberately trying to hurt him. Dungy, who was closer to Manning than anyone, said that Manning wasn't quite the same after that and I believe him.

    The NFL has been under a ton of heat lately for injuries and the long term health of players. No one should be surprised when they lay the hammer on the Saints. An example must be made of them.


    This must be a hard thing for Bowen (who?) to understand: people aren't paying money to see him play, they are paying money to see Manning, Farve, Warner, Adrian Peterson, etc

    When no-name D-ends are taking out the stars of the league, that is just bad for business. And so that is another reason I expect the NFL to crack down.
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...4015992.column

    I agree with Bowen it is part of the game. This is being blown way out of proportion IMO this is the NFL this isn't college I cant believe they are going to take draft picks away.

    He is one of my favorite sports guys watch him a lot on Chicago Tribune Live
    I understand you being a young fellow and not seeing the differences all to sharply yet, but you will have to understand that the word "sport" inherently means that it is NOT a matter of life and dead.
    Not a matter of win by all cost, willing to kill your opponent, once you enter thats stage it is called war, whoever has the biggest guns wins.

    if that is Bowen's vision of the game i sincerely hope his warped mind will change sooner rather than later so his sons don't need to learn of their dad's primal behaviour that could well have cost people their life and health.

    The idea that you run risk in a violent sport like football or rugby, boxing, and all martial arts is embedded, but that is a risk based on everyone sticking to the rules, the rules that GOVERN a sport, rules that are there to make sure participants don't run mad risks.
    People breaking the rules on purpose are sick, no two ways about it, if you can not differentiate between the sport that makes you wealthy and trying to kill someone/end someone's career than you have no place in a community, you are nothing but a common criminal that should be in jail with all the other (un)succesfull law breakers.

    I am not a judge but considering the consequences of this (would you like to be the insurer ? or were you a victim?) penalties against all involved, including those no longer active should be severe.
    picks? they should thank all they can think of for still being in the league!
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    I don't think the Skins are going to get in any trouble over it. The Saints on the other hand better watch out.

    Gregg Williams I bet will get damn near the "death penalty" or at least a 2 season suspension since he seems to be the instigator and is an easy scapegoat.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    Whole lot of over reactionary idiots posting in here.

    The NFL ran an investigation on the Saints. Found out about the bounty system & said "stop this". The Saints didn't stop. That's why they're in deep

    The Skins aren't affected by this because there was no investigation here on it. Though the WP certainly isn't refraining from grinding their axe with this story to rile up the fan base.

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    Will the NFL really taint one of their current media-darling teams, and a recent SB winner, with this type of negative issue and an uber-punitive response? ...Or will they downplay it and give them barely a slap on the wrist? A slap on the wrist would tell the general public it really wasn't that bad. A major penalty would send the opposite signal and put this on all the sports pages and shows.
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    Will the NFL really taint one of their current media-darling teams, and a recent SB winner, with this type of negative issue and an uber-punitive response? ...Or will they downplay it and give them barely a slap on the wrist? A slap on the wrist would tell the general public it really wasn't that bad. A major penalty would send the opposite signal and put this on all the sports pages and shows.

    From what I have read tonight Goodell is PO'd.

    The NFL warns teams about this on a DAILY basis, with mass memos, and when he found out about this 3 years ago he told the Saints owner to stop it, ASAP.

    The owner went to the GM, who ignored the owner asking him to stop this practice.

    I have heard from quite a few people Goodell is livid, and this may be a bigger deal then spygate [if for no other reason then the direct disrespect of the commish] [last part my opinion]

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