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  • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

    Let's just use the Lakers own logic before we start discarding AJ.

    I hear stuff like this...
    It isnt easy per say,but it is defiantly easy to replace AJ in free agency or draft.
    And think "then why don't the Lakers just do it that way"?


    AJ is not a starter, but he IS filling his role pretty well. Enough that other teams would like him to fill that role for them too. That tells me that he's not easy to replace and that if you move him then you are in the same spot the Lakers are in, unless you have surplus you can count on.

    So then the Lance debates kick in, but for the 2nd year in a row Lance has been given a solid role off the bench and ended up losing it. Not at the hands of crazy JOB, but at the hands of Vogel who has shown lots of interest in developing the younger players.


    If AJ is easy to replace then why not trade Lance to the Lakers instead and get an even better pick than AJ gets you (if Lance truly is better/more valuable than AJ). And if the Lakers don't want Lance, and Vogel has decided that for now AJ is helping more, then why do you want to risk derailing where this team is at for a minimal return on AJ?




    You trade AJ + Lou for an upgrade at big, you don't trade AJ for a 2nd round pick. That's literally taking money out of your wallet and just throwing it on the ground.

    This team barely has enough to get by. It can't give up any of the top 6 assets without getting a clear improvement back, and it's even risky giving away Tyler, DJones or AJ at this point.

    The asset the Pacers have is what makes Kaman a better fit - cap space. They need one more body, and if you have to give one to get one that doesn't help.

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    • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

      Originally posted by wintermute View Post
      The irony of all this talk of late 2nd rounders is that AJ is a late 2nd rounder himself (53rd overall in 2009). Yes, I know how rare it is to get a useful player there, but Price himself is proof that it can be done.
      Yeah, I find it humorous that so many would trade AJ for a second round pick, who is more than likely destined to become...............AJ.

      Guys, I think Price gives the team very much what they need from him. He is solid on the floor, does not complain about playing time or "touches", and seems to fit well with the other guys.

      Heck, if you want another second round pick next year, just buy one. Probably could be had pretty cheaply.

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      • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

        Well, I think the Lakers own logic is simply - we need a freaking point guard.

        After the rust came off, AJ's played pretty well. Probably better than Fisher's corpse and Blake...He's also the type of point you'd stick next to Kobe. (Like Chalmers or heck Fisher) He doesn't need to the ball in his hands, knows how to make really good post entry passes, and knows how to make reads to get himself open when his teammates get into trouble.

        All that stuff fits on a team with good post players and a star guard who wants the ball in his hands.

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        • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

          he is worth more than the last pick of the 2nd round but definitely not worth a first,
          At the very least you demand a pick that on average has the same NBA PER over 4-5 years as AJ has had. That's not a 2nd round pick. Nearly all 2nd round picks end up entirely out of the NBA.

          I'd have to go pull the articles on this, but several studies have been done (and posted here) showing what you expect from a pick. T-bird or Count55 did one even IIRC.

          And "bench PG who plays 5-10 mpg" fall around 23rd-26th by my memory. Stars are 1-5, period. Starters are 6-12. Bench is 13-18. The rest is random fodder to fill out rosters. The 2nd round is for non-NBA players.

          The exceptions do not change this any more than the top 5 busts change the rule about where most stars come from. Danny and Roy at 17 are exceptions, AJ deep 2nd round is a massive steal.

          People just forget all the duds in the 20-30 pick range because they get forgotten once they don't make a roster. You only remember the guys that do make a team.


          I'm just not interested in trading Price for a pick that gets you Wayne Ellington, Demarre Carroll, Victor Claver or Christian Eyenga. We don't need Mardy Collison or Maurice Ager. Those are the 50% risks you run if you trade AJ for a 20-30 pick. You might get a guy giving you as much (maybe 20%) and you might get a guy that gives you more (30%) but it's not a favorable gamble.
          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-04-2012, 11:38 AM.

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          • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
            Well, I think the Lakers own logic is simply - we need a freaking point guard.

            After the rust came off, AJ's played pretty well. Probably better than Fisher's corpse and Blake...He's also the type of point you'd stick next to Kobe. (Like Chalmers or heck Fisher) He doesn't need to the ball in his hands, knows how to make really good post entry passes, and knows how to make reads to get himself open when his teammates get into trouble.

            All that stuff fits on a team with good post players and a star guard who wants the ball in his hands.
            Yeah, but I think the Pacers do too. I think there is high risk in relying on Lance at this point. At best he's got a future and you are developing him with AJ to hold the maturity fort down, at worst he doesn't help any more than AJ does ever and you just gave up critical help in a realistic chase for an ECF run.

            The team can't afford a shuffle, the need a full-on addition.

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            • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
              At the very least you demand a pick that on average has the same NBA PER over 4-5 years as AJ has had. That's not a 2nd round pick. Nearly all 2nd round picks end up entirely out of the NBA.

              I'd have to go pull the articles on this, but several studies have been done (and posted here) showing what you expect from a pick. T-bird or Count55 did one even IIRC.

              And "bench PG who plays 5-10 mpg" fall around 23rd-26th by my memory. Stars are 1-5, period. Starters are 6-12. Bench is 13-18. The rest is random fodder to fill out rosters. The 2nd round is for non-NBA players.

              The exceptions do not change this any more than the top 5 busts change the rule about where most stars come from. Danny and Roy at 17 are exceptions, AJ deep 2nd round is a massive steal.

              People just forget all the duds in the 20-30 pick range because they get forgotten once they don't make a roster. You only remember the guys that do make a team.


              I'm just not interested in trading Price for a pick that gets you Wayne Ellington, Demarre Carroll, Victor Claver or Christian Eyenga. We don't need Mardy Collison or Maurice Ager. Those are the 50% risks you run if you trade AJ for a 20-30 pick. You might get a guy giving you as much (maybe 20%) and you might get a guy that gives you more (30%) but it's not a favorable gamble.
              Some one else earlier said they saw a study that showed 50% of 2nd round picks play past their rookie contracts. I think how much time a guy gets and if he gets cut really depends on the team he is with.

              Thing is with 2nd round picks as you said you really do not expect much, you either get a bench player or they are usually out the league.

              A lot of the guys that got picked around AJ are still in the NBA and doing a lot of the same things he is.

              And talking about the other point.

              Comparing Patrick Mills and AJ Price

              They are very similar as far as numbers and contributions to teams, but Mills is not playing in the NBA right now, and that is more about a team thing not his overall play.

              Just comparing their numbers in the first 3 years.

              Mills averges 11 min per game, shot 41.7 percent, 35% from 3, 1.5 assist and 5.1 pts

              Price averages 15.2 min, shot 38.3%, 31% from 3, 2 assist, 6.5 pts
              both shot about 74-75% FT

              These guys are very much similar, it is just all about situation, like I said be for Price could as easily be overseas or in the Dleague as he could in the NBA...
              Why so SERIOUS

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              • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                At the very least you demand a pick that on average has the same NBA PER over 4-5 years as AJ has had. That's not a 2nd round pick. Nearly all 2nd round picks end up entirely out of the NBA.

                I'd have to go pull the articles on this, but several studies have been done (and posted here) showing what you expect from a pick. T-bird or Count55 did one even IIRC.

                And "bench PG who plays 5-10 mpg" fall around 23rd-26th by my memory. Stars are 1-5, period. Starters are 6-12. Bench is 13-18. The rest is random fodder to fill out rosters. The 2nd round is for non-NBA players.

                The exceptions do not change this any more than the top 5 busts change the rule about where most stars come from. Danny and Roy at 17 are exceptions, AJ deep 2nd round is a massive steal.

                People just forget all the duds in the 20-30 pick range because they get forgotten once they don't make a roster. You only remember the guys that do make a team.


                I'm just not interested in trading Price for a pick that gets you Wayne Ellington, Demarre Carroll, Victor Claver or Christian Eyenga. We don't need Mardy Collison or Maurice Ager. Those are the 50% risks you run if you trade AJ for a 20-30 pick. You might get a guy giving you as much (maybe 20%) and you might get a guy that gives you more (30%) but it's not a favorable gamble.
                Lastly just looking at the guys that got drafted in the 2nd the same year as AJ...

                Patrick Mills 55
                AJ 52
                Danny Green46
                Chase Budinger 44
                Marcus Thornton 43
                Jodie Meeks 41
                Derrick Brown 40
                Jonas Jerebko 39
                Dejuan Blair 37
                Sam Yong 36
                Dajuan Summers 35
                Dante Cunningham 33
                Jermaine Tayler 32
                Jeff Pendergraph 31

                The others were foreign players, most who have never came over. A majority of these guys are still in the league and playing similar roles as AJ, many are doing better than him.
                Why so SERIOUS

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                • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  Let's just use the Lakers own logic before we start discarding AJ.

                  I hear stuff like this...

                  And think "then why don't the Lakers just do it that way"?


                  AJ is not a starter, but he IS filling his role pretty well. Enough that other teams would like him to fill that role for them too. That tells me that he's not easy to replace and that if you move him then you are in the same spot the Lakers are in, unless you have surplus you can count on.

                  So then the Lance debates kick in, but for the 2nd year in a row Lance has been given a solid role off the bench and ended up losing it. Not at the hands of crazy JOB, but at the hands of Vogel who has shown lots of interest in developing the younger players.


                  If AJ is easy to replace then why not trade Lance to the Lakers instead and get an even better pick than AJ gets you (if Lance truly is better/more valuable than AJ). And if the Lakers don't want Lance, and Vogel has decided that for now AJ is helping more, then why do you want to risk derailing where this team is at for a minimal return on AJ?




                  You trade AJ + Lou for an upgrade at big, you don't trade AJ for a 2nd round pick. That's literally taking money out of your wallet and just throwing it on the ground.

                  This team barely has enough to get by. It can't give up any of the top 6 assets without getting a clear improvement back, and it's even risky giving away Tyler, DJones or AJ at this point.

                  The asset the Pacers have is what makes Kaman a better fit - cap space. They need one more body, and if you have to give one to get one that doesn't help.

                  Because the Lakers dont have the cap room to add a good player in free agency all they have is the MMLE. We have cap room we can go out and get Ramon Sessions or another free agent who is a upgrade of not only Price but arguably the same level as Darren.

                  The Lakers already have a solid backup in Blake/Fisher/Goudlock combo their real need is a starter. Which they aren't going to be able to find very easily their best option is via trade imo but most teams arent going to trade their starting pg to the Lakers because they have no real assets outside of a TPE and a few late 1st rd picks.

                  Just so it is clear I wouldn't do it for just a late 2nd rd they would have to add a sweetener but if Bird still in the same mindset I highly doubt Price is back next year in BnG so it would make sense to get value while you can.

                  Anyway this discussion is pointless they aren't trading any assets for Price they can just add him next year in FA if they really want him.

                  I expect the Lakers to try to draft a pg of the future in the draft. Even though it is a weak pg draft there is a pg or 2 who would be a great fit next to Kobe and with the picks they currently have they may be able to move up if necessary to get that pg.
                  Last edited by pacer4ever; 03-04-2012, 12:07 PM.

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                  • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    Some one else earlier said they saw a study that showed 50% of 2nd round picks play past their rookie contracts.
                    Ok... but then you listed 14 people (out of a 30-person draft) who are still on rookie contracts and still in the league.

                    So in AJ's year, which was exceptionally deep, over half the guys are already out of the NBA, and we haven't even started on second contracts? Am I reading your data correctly?

                    I'd love to see a link to that study.
                    This space for rent.

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                    • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                      I don't even think Price is one of the top-five picks from the second round of the 2009 draft.

                      Marcus Thornton
                      DeJuan Blair
                      Chase Budinger
                      Jodie Meeks
                      Jonas Jerebko

                      I'd take any of the above five players over him, without question, and there are a few others (Danny Green, Sam Young, Jermaine Taylor) I'd have to think about.

                      I wouldn't move him for a late second round pick, no, but if I could get a pick in the 30s for him, I might take it.

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                      • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                        Ok... but then you listed 14 people (out of a 30-person draft) who are still on rookie contracts and still in the league.

                        So in AJ's year, which was exceptionally deep, over half the guys are already out of the NBA, and we haven't even started on second contracts? Am I reading your data correctly?

                        I'd love to see a link to that study.
                        No, most are still over seas, the were more than 10 foreign players drafted that year, go check it out yourself on wikipedia or wherever you would like to look.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                          Because the Lakers dont have the cap room to add a good player in free agency all they have is the MMLE. We have cap room we can go out and get Ramon Sessions or another free agent who is a upgrade of not only Price but arguably the same level as Darren.


                          So you are saying they can't use their Odom TE to get Sessions or a FA this summer?

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                          • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                            Here's a list of second rounders who've averaged roughly 50+ games per-season since being draft:

                            2001 Draft (500+ Games)
                            29. Trenton Hassell (644)
                            30. Gilbert Arenas (535)
                            34. Brian Scalabrine (512)
                            37. Mehmet Okur (634)
                            39. Earl Watson (791)
                            52. Jarron Collins (542)

                            2002 Draft (450+ Games)
                            33. Dan Gadzuric (525)
                            34. Carlos Boozer (607)
                            41. Ronald Murray (487)
                            45. Matt Barnes (531)
                            49. Darius Songaila (495)
                            52. Rasual Butler (637)

                            (Note: Luis Scola [357 games] went 55th in this draft)

                            2003 Draft (400+ Games)
                            31. Jason Kapono (507)
                            32. Luke Walton (493)
                            38. Steve Blake (601)
                            41. Willie Green (534)
                            42. Zaza Pachulia (616)
                            43. Keith Bogans (591)
                            45. Matt Bonner (532)
                            47. Mo Williams (568)
                            49. James Jones (474)
                            51. Kyle Korver (637)

                            2004 Draft (350+ Games)
                            30. Anderson Varejao (444)
                            37. Royal Ivey (417)
                            38. Chris Duhon (535)
                            43. Trevor Ariza (485)

                            2005 Draft (300+ Games)
                            33. Brandon Bass (364)
                            34. C.J. Miles (369)
                            37. Ronny Turiaf (362)
                            40. Monta Ellis (408)
                            45. Louis Williams (428)
                            49. Andray Blatche (401)
                            50. Ryan Gomes (480)
                            56. Amir Johnson (325)

                            (Note: Ersan Ilyasova [243 games] and Marcin Gortat [266] were taken 36th and 57th, respectively, in this draft.)

                            2006 Draft (250+ Games)
                            32. Steve Novak (250)
                            33. Solomon Jones (266)
                            36. Craig Smith (388)
                            42. Daniel Gibson (343)
                            47. Paul Millsap (433)
                            50. Ryan Hollins (293)

                            2007 Draft (200+ Games)
                            31. Carl Landry (291)
                            35. Glen Davis (312)
                            47. Dominic McGuire (283)
                            48. Marc Gasol (269)
                            49. Aaron Gray (210)
                            56. Ramon Sessions (294)

                            2008 Draft (150+ Games)
                            34. Mario Chalmers (260)
                            35. DeAndre Jordan (237)
                            37. Luc Mbah a Moute (258)
                            40. Chris Douglas-Roberts (155)
                            45. Goran Dragic (242)
                            47. Bill Walker (155)

                            2009 Draft (100+ Games)
                            33. Dante Cunningham (178)
                            36. Sam Young (176)
                            37. DeJuan Blair (199)
                            38. Jon Brockman (134)
                            39. Jonas Jerebko (118)
                            40. Derrick Brown (140)
                            41. Jodie Meeks (171)
                            43. Marcus Thornton (175)
                            44. Chase Budinger (184)
                            52. A.J. Price (129)

                            2010 Draft (50+ games)
                            39. Landry Fields (118)
                            52. Luke Harangody (64)
                            55. Jeremy Evans (66)

                            (Note: Jeremy Lin [51 games] went undrafted.)

                            A.J.'s an above-average second rounder, especially considering he went late second round, but he's far from a rarity. There are multiple players drafted in the second round every year who end up better, many of them significantly so.

                            The Lakers second is currently pick 53, I believe, so it's really not worth it unless we have another point guard lined up. Even if we don't plan on retaining him this offseason, having him around for the next 31 games and the playoffs beats a late second rounder.

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                            • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                              Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                              Here's a list of second rounders who've averaged roughly 50+ games per-season since being draft:

                              2001 Draft (500+ Games)
                              29. Trenton Hassell (644)
                              30. Gilbert Arenas (535)
                              34. Brian Scalabrine (512)
                              37. Mehmet Okur (634)
                              39. Earl Watson (791)
                              52. Jarron Collins (542)

                              2002 Draft (450+ Games)
                              33. Dan Gadzuric (525)
                              34. Carlos Boozer (607)
                              41. Ronald Murray (487)
                              45. Matt Barnes (531)
                              49. Darius Songaila (495)
                              52. Rasual Butler (637)

                              (Note: Luis Scola [357 games] went 55th in this draft)

                              2003 Draft (400+ Games)
                              31. Jason Kapono (507)
                              32. Luke Walton (493)
                              38. Steve Blake (601)
                              41. Willie Green (534)
                              42. Zaza Pachulia (616)
                              43. Keith Bogans (591)
                              45. Matt Bonner (532)
                              47. Mo Williams (568)
                              49. James Jones (474)
                              51. Kyle Korver (637)

                              2004 Draft (350+ Games)
                              30. Anderson Varejao (444)
                              37. Royal Ivey (417)
                              38. Chris Duhon (535)
                              43. Trevor Ariza (485)

                              2005 Draft (300+ Games)
                              33. Brandon Bass (364)
                              34. C.J. Miles (369)
                              37. Ronny Turiaf (362)
                              40. Monta Ellis (408)
                              45. Louis Williams (428)
                              49. Andray Blatche (401)
                              50. Ryan Gomes (480)
                              56. Amir Johnson (325)

                              (Note: Ersan Ilyasova [243 games] and Marcin Gortat [266] were taken 36th and 57th, respectively, in this draft.)

                              2006 Draft (250+ Games)
                              32. Steve Novak (250)
                              33. Solomon Jones (266)
                              36. Craig Smith (388)
                              42. Daniel Gibson (343)
                              47. Paul Millsap (433)
                              50. Ryan Hollins (293)

                              2007 Draft (200+ Games)
                              31. Carl Landry (291)
                              35. Glen Davis (312)
                              47. Dominic McGuire (283)
                              48. Marc Gasol (269)
                              49. Aaron Gray (210)
                              56. Ramon Sessions (294)

                              2008 Draft (150+ Games)
                              34. Mario Chalmers (260)
                              35. DeAndre Jordan (237)
                              37. Luc Mbah a Moute (258)
                              40. Chris Douglas-Roberts (155)
                              45. Goran Dragic (242)
                              47. Bill Walker (155)

                              2009 Draft (100+ Games)
                              33. Dante Cunningham (178)
                              36. Sam Young (176)
                              37. DeJuan Blair (199)
                              38. Jon Brockman (134)
                              39. Jonas Jerebko (118)
                              40. Derrick Brown (140)
                              41. Jodie Meeks (171)
                              43. Marcus Thornton (175)
                              44. Chase Budinger (184)
                              52. A.J. Price (129)

                              2010 Draft (50+ games)
                              39. Landry Fields (118)
                              52. Luke Harangody (64)
                              55. Jeremy Evans (66)

                              (Note: Jeremy Lin [51 games] went undrafted.)

                              A.J.'s an above-average second rounder, especially considering he went late second round, but he's far from a rarity. There are multiple players drafted in the second round every year who end up better, many of them significantly so.

                              The Lakers second is currently pick 53, I believe, so it's really not worth it unless we have another point guard lined up. Even if we don't plan on retaining him this offseason, having him around for the next 31 games and the playoffs beats a late second rounder.
                              Interesting, thanks for putting that together, I would like to see the amount of international players that did not come over that were drafted in the 2nd as well, and which players did not play in 50+, Also as I said with Patrick Mills a lot of this stuff also depends on what team you are on and how mature your game is, AJ got drafted as a Sr, I would assume that some of the younger players took more time to develop before they started seeing PT.

                              But yeah you are talking about the Bulls 2nd right? Because the Lakers is already traded away to Dallas.
                              Why so SERIOUS

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                              • Re: Lakers interested in AJ Price?

                                Originally posted by Really? View Post
                                Interesting, thanks for putting that together, I would like to see the amount of international players that did not come over that were drafted in the 2nd as well, and which players did not play in 50+, Also as I said with Patrick Mills a lot of this stuff also depends on what team you are on and how mature your game is, AJ got drafted as a Sr, I would assume that some of the younger players took more time to develop before they started seeing PT.

                                But yeah you are talking about the Bulls 2nd right? Because the Lakers is already traded away to Dallas.
                                http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft

                                It's Chicago's 2nd? Christ, even worse. I don't even like A.J. that much, and even I think that deal would suck for us.

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