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Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

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  • #16
    Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

    Even if he was robbed (which he was) it was still one of the worst dunk contests of all time. The number of misses was cringe worthy and what's with this hanging on the rim for 5 seconds like a monkey after the dunk? Is that supposed to make up for the fact that the dunk was weak?

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    • #17
      Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

      Not to play the contrarian here but I'm sorry I think this does sound like sour grapes.

      Not saying he shouldn't have won, he probably should have although Evans had the best individual dunk. But if Paul would have won the contest I can assure you that we would not be hearing how the Dunk Contest is a joke.

      I just pray to God that he does not use this as an excuse to go back to his early season scoop shot layup crap he was giving us.


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      • #18
        Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        Not to play the contrarian here but I'm sorry I think this does sound like sour grapes.

        Not saying he shouldn't have won, he probably should have although Evans had the best individual dunk. But if Paul would have won the contest I can assure you that we would not be hearing how the Dunk Contest is a joke.

        I just pray to God that he does not use this as an excuse to go back to his early season scoop shot layup crap he was giving us.
        I honestly think he will use this as motivation and dunk every time he has the chance... but who knows.

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        • #19
          Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Not to play the contrarian here but I'm sorry I think this does sound like sour grapes.

          Not saying he shouldn't have won, he probably should have although Evans had the best individual dunk. But if Paul would have won the contest I can assure you that we would not be hearing how the Dunk Contest is a joke.

          I just pray to God that he does not use this as an excuse to go back to his early season scoop shot layup crap he was giving us.
          Its absolutely sour grapes. And if he won, it would have been less of a joke because he didn't use Diddy or Kevin Hart. He went out there and dunked. I think Paul feels let down by the dunk contest. Its clearly something he has wanted to do for awhile. Compared to what this contest used to be, its such a joke now. Its not what he had hoped it to be.

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          • #20
            Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
            I think PG's right in that it was a joke. But not because of fan voting. It was more about props than actual dunking. And only Paul George has a shot at being an All Star of that bunch..
            What's funny is that PG himself propagated this theory by using an elaborate set of props like the neon jersey, neon lights and darkening the whole arena to do a glow-in-the-dark dunk.
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            • #21
              Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

              In Paul's defense, it seems like this entire commentary on the dunk contest was just an off-the-cuff response.

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              • #22
                Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                Well, something must be wrong here, Paul shouldn't be saying such things
                The dunk contest isn't about winning, it's about the league choosing young players who can dunk to give them extra exposure. The league chooses you, you should be honored. You lose, who cares. You can't go "The Dunk contest is a joke" after you lost.
                I think the league could have EASILY arranged Lin ooping to Blake or something like that as part of the slam dunk contest. Instead they took young, unproven players.
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                • #23
                  Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                  Originally posted by yoadknux View Post
                  Well, something must be wrong here, Paul shouldn't be saying such things
                  The dunk contest isn't about winning, it's about the league choosing young players who can dunk to give them extra exposure. The league chooses you, you should be honored. You lose, who cares. You can't go "The Dunk contest is a joke" after you lost.
                  I think the league could have EASILY arranged Lin ooping to Blake or something like that as part of the slam dunk contest. Instead they took young, unproven players.
                  They took young unproven players because none of the big name players wanted to do it. If the NBA could get LeBron, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin and Russel Westbrook to compete in the dunk contest, Paul George would have never been close to making it.

                  The dunk contest is about showing who the best dunker in the league is.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                    Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                    They took young unproven players because none of the big name players wanted to do it. If the NBA could get LeBron, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin and Russel Westbrook to compete in the dunk contest, Paul George would have never been close to making it.

                    The dunk contest is about showing who the best dunker in the league is.
                    They didn't pick these guys because they already picked them in the past...
                    You wanna tell me the league can get guys like Rondo and Tony Parker to participate in a boring skills challenge, Durant, Love and Joe Johnson in a 3pt shootout, but not get big names for dunk contest, the (probably) 2nd or 3rd most viewed event in the all-star weekend?
                    They choose young players because, like I said, they want to give them exposure.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                      PG dis-inviting himself from future participation in this event.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                        Evans' two-ball dunk was far and away the best dunk of the night. On that alone, I felt he should have won.

                        George calling the contest a joke is just stupid. He knew what it was when he was campaigning for entry. Of course it's a joke. If he was out there for the purity of the competition he wouldn't have put on a stupid green costume and turned on black lights.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                          PG should have won.

                          having celebrities or jumping over cars (and it was just the damn hood) shouldn't automaticallly equal victory.

                          I think PG hurt himself with the dunk where he turned out the lights. No one could really see it.

                          Kevin Hart is very funny. Dane Cook is funny too. I don't understand why people have to hate on comedians once they reach a star level. Should be happy for them. My favorite comedian though is Patton Oswalt; that dude is hilarious. I mean, I love to laugh, so if there was a comedian that all he did was make faces, but was very good at it, I'd probably like them too. Now that I think of it, that sounded like Jim Carey...and he is funny! Just hasn't been recently.

                          The guy with the puppets...not funny.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                            So it's ok for many here on PD and around the country to call the dunk competition a joke but a NBA player can't? SMH
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                            • #29
                              Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Not to play the contrarian here but I'm sorry I think this does sound like sour grapes.

                              Not saying he shouldn't have won, he probably should have although Evans had the best individual dunk. But if Paul would have won the contest I can assure you that we would not be hearing how the Dunk Contest is a joke.

                              I just pray to God that he does not use this as an excuse to go back to his early season scoop shot layup crap he was giving us.
                              Absolutely agree with you, Peck!

                              The guy calls it a joke AFTER he openly campaigns hard to get into the competition? Come on now. Had he never seen this event before? Are you kidding me?

                              How many attempts did he miss on the "jump over" dunk as well as the "Bird sticker" dunk. Then on the "lights out" dunk, you couldn't really see what was happening, at least on TV (I've no idea how it looked in person).

                              My advice to Paul George would be to quit whining and get ready to play the next game. I hope he doesn't whine like this after games about the calls officials make.
                              Last edited by Tom White; 02-28-2012, 10:53 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

                                Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                                That's right, George! Get mad!
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