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    Ah thanks for explaining!

    Also Westbrook is not one of the best NBA players, second, Ibaka is nowhere near the to be elite PF, and Harden is good.

    Also i was responding with an absurd comment to the absurd thread.

    And dont dare to say we have noone dominating, we have Paul George who one day will be HOF'er.
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    My issue with DC is that we are 28th in the league in assists per game, and he can't run a successful pick and roll, drive and kick, or especially run a break properly like a normal starting point guard should be able to. We are a very good team, but assists per game is a huge issue for us (Which is a direct affect of our poor transition game), as well as point guard defense. Lack of point guard play, lack of a pure scorer, and lack of a complete bench is what is keeping us from being an elite team.

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    DC is the weakest starter, but if DC is your weakest starter your team is in pretty good shape.
    I have a huge problem with this line of thinking, I could probably agree with you if you told me that you don't mind our SG/SF/PF to be the weakest link but the point guard? to me point guard and centers are the most important pieces on any team, you have a weak PG or Center and unless you have Lebron/Dwade you are pretty much screwed.

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    I have a huge problem with this line of thinking, I could probably agree with you if you told me that you don't mind our SG/SF/PF to be the weakest link but the point guard? to me point guard and centers are the most important pieces on any team, you have a weak PG or Center and unless you have Lebron/Dwade you are pretty much screwed.
    21-12. We are definitely screwed.

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    Yes, he's the weakest link. But he's also better than any PG we've had since Jamaal Tinsley. Problem is, that's not saying much. The PG position has been very bad for the Pacers for a long time, and people have gotten used to mediocrity at the position. A player like Rajon Rondo would make a huge difference at that position. Probably as much as if we swapped Hibbert for Dwight Howard. That's just how important the PG position is on a team.
    Agreed. But I'm of the opinion that serious improvement could come even without the likes of Rondo, DWill, etc.

    Just a decent distributor who plays effective defense could make a big differences, and I think that player is obtainable right now.
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    DC is the weakest starter, but if DC is your weakest starter your team is in pretty good shape.
    This sounds good and got a lot of Thanks. But it's not that simple.

    What if D.C. was playing center? Well, sure, he's a good player, but the skills he brings to the position would be a serious weakness.

    It's not as drastic as that, but D.C.'s skills are for shooting guard, not point guard. His being a weak link is indeed a serious problem.
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    21-12. We are definitely screwed.
    For the playoffs or competing for a championship? yeah, if you are happy with just having a good midle of the season record, then go ahead and celebrate by all means.

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    Agreed. But I'm of the opinion that serious improvement could come even without the likes of Rondo, DWill, etc.

    Just a decent distributor who plays effective defense could make a big differences, and I think that player is obtainable right now.
    Well, T.J. Ford is probably available from San Antonio. But, he is getting more minutes there now than McBrick gets in Laker land......

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    For the playoffs or competing for a championship? yeah, if you are happy with just having a good midle of the season record, then go ahead and celebrate by all means.
    I'm not celebrating, but I'm not going to proclaim us "screwed' yet, either. Do I think we are a contender this year? No, far from it. But we have some young guys who still have room for improvement, cap space to make a deal or lure another star, and a great coaching staff. I think we are in a good place. DC is our weakest link, and I would like to see that position upgraded, but I think we can be successful with him being the basketball equivalent of a "game manager" QB.

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    For the playoffs or competing for a championship? yeah, if you are happy with just having a good midle of the season record, then go ahead and celebrate by all means.
    And you hope team goes from below average team to the one that competes for championship ? Even Miami needs time, i am not even starting about OKC or Philly.

    Get real please.

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    I'm not celebrating, but I'm not going to proclaim us "screwed' yet, either. Do I think we are a contender this year? No, far from it. But we have some young guys who still have room for improvement, cap space to make a deal or lure another star, and a great coaching staff. I think we are in a good place. DC is our weakest link, and I would like to see that position upgraded, but I think we can be successful with him being the basketball equivalent of a "game manager" QB.
    I appreciate the perspective you are bringing here. If you can't land an All-Star point guard right now, appreciate the good DC does bring to to table.

    But my concern/frustration is what I mentioned a few posts earlier. I DO think we can find a decent point guard right now to upgrade the position. It doesn't have to be an All-Star. My two cents.
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    I appreciate the perspective you are bringing here. If you can't land an All-Star point guard right now, appreciate the good DC does bring to to table.

    But my concern/frustration is what I mentioned a few posts earlier. I DO think we can find a decent point guard right now to upgrade the position. It doesn't have to be an All-Star. My two cents.
    Yeah, I meant to ask you about that--who do you have in mind? Calderon?

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    Yeah, I meant to ask you about that--who do you have in mind? Calderon?
    I would consider Calderon if he were around 6-8 million. Maybe. His contract is just too nutty.

    I'm thinking Felton, Hinrick, Andre Miller. Some people dismiss them (especially the first two) when I bring them up because they don't have Steve Nash offensive skills. But my point is DECENT distribution and GOOD defense would trump BAD distribution and BAD defense, which is what we currently have.
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    I'm not celebrating, but I'm not going to proclaim us "screwed' yet, either. Do I think we are a contender this year? No, far from it. But we have some young guys who still have room for improvement, cap space to make a deal or lure another star, and a great coaching staff. I think we are in a good place. DC is our weakest link, and I would like to see that position upgraded, but I think we can be successful with him being the basketball equivalent of a "game manager" QB.
    I said that "we are screwed" because I don't think we can make it to the second round without improving the PG position, the perfect scenario for me would be to get an starting PG and keep DC to let him destroy bench players and like you said, we have the money and pieces to do it.

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    I said that "we are screwed" because I don't think we can make it to the second round without improving the PG position, the perfect scenario for me would be to get an starting PG and keep DC to let him destroy bench players and like you said, we have the money and pieces to do it.
    I think we can get to the second round this year. I don't think we have a realistic shot of beating Miami or Chicago once we get there, but the experience is what we need. I just don't know who we can get for a cheap price that will upgrade the PG position. I don't think any of the guys McKey listed are upgrades, especially Hinrich (constantly hobbled) and Felton (he has been truly awful this year). You might be able to talk me into Andre Miller, but his reputation for being something of a diva in the locker room scares me a little bit, especially since our team has great chemistry right now.

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    We need to see if and how GH can improve the situation. Hill got hurt way too early in the season before the team got used to playing with one another. Sharing the PG position should help. I am not unhappy with what we have now. Consistency from some of the other "all stars" would go a long way

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    I think we can get to the second round this year. I don't think we have a realistic shot of beating Miami or Chicago once we get there, but the experience is what we need. I just don't know who we can get for a cheap price that will upgrade the PG position. I don't think any of the guys McKey listed are upgrades, especially Hinrich (constantly hobbled) and Felton (he has been truly awful this year). You might be able to talk me into Andre Miller, but his reputation for being something of a diva in the locker room scares me a little bit, especially since our team has great chemistry right now.
    Yeah I always like Hinrich but at this point I think GH kind of duplicates what Hinrich brings, I like Felton and like I said before in another thread I don't think you can judge him for what he is doing in Portland because that system is bad for point guards in general.

    I like Andre Miller but like you said he is a bit of a diva, he wants to start not matter what in his next team and I don't like that type of attitute, to me the best choice at the moment is Calderon, great floor general that knows how to pass the ball and create for others, his defense is bad but not as bad as some people here think, him playing in a crappy team with not defenders makes him look worse than what he is, a first round pick plus some players should get the Raptors interested.

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    It's crazy how quickly things sour here. A year ago this board erupted that we traded Murphy and got Collison. His 2nd year with the team, and 3rd overall and we're looking for the next big thing.

    Obviously if an upgrade is available, you pursue, but let's not down a guy that's help to solidify the point guard position that use to be EXTREMELY unstable

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    I've given up on the whole Deron Williams ever coming here idea no matter how much sense it would make for us. There are probably a good 4 or 5 times a game that I just groan because someone was standing WIDE OPEN and Darren missed it cause he's not looking up and concentrating on how he's going to beat the guy in front of him and where he's going to go with the ball. Rondo would be a perfect fit for us and he always seems to abuse Derrick Rose which would be another plus.

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    I think the Pacers can beat the Heat and the Bulls as long as they have really good defenders at all 5 positions, and play unselfish ball. I like said earlier in the year. We are not going to out superstar or out talent the Heat or the Bulls. So we have to out defend them. You play lock down defense and you will always give yourself a chance to win at the end. Thats why i want to see GH starting at point or atleast finishing games.
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    I think the Pacers can beat the Heat and the Bulls as long as they have really good defenders at all 5 positions, and play unselfish ball. I like said earlier in the year. We are not going to out superstar or out talent the Heat or the Bulls. So we have to out defend them. You play lock down defense and you will always give yourself a chance to win at the end. Thats why i want to see GH starting at point or atleast finishing games.
    The Pacers can be the Bulls or the Heat in the playoffs? Oh, they might win one game. You need to serious come down to earth......

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    I said that "we are screwed" because I don't think we can make it to the second round without improving the PG position
    The second round? I totally agree on the third round, but the second?

    We're currently the #3 seed. It's reasonable to think we could end the year there (hardest part of our schedule is behind us). Which one of the bottom seeds do you think is going to win 4 of 7 against us when we've got home court?

    I don't think we (yet) have the guns to take out Miami or Chicago, but against anyone else I like our chances.
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    The second round? I totally agree on the third round, but the second?

    We're currently the #3 seed. It's reasonable to think we could end the year there (hardest part of our schedule is behind us). Which one of the bottom seeds do you think is going to win 4 of 7 against us when we've got home court?

    I don't think we (yet) have the guns to take out Miami or Chicago, but against anyone else I like our chances.
    I guess we would have to wait and see what happens then, I still see us finishing 6th if we don't make a move.

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    It's crazy how quickly things sour here. A year ago this board erupted that we traded Murphy and got Collison. His 2nd year with the team, and 3rd overall and we're looking for the next big thing.

    Obviously if an upgrade is available, you pursue, but let's not down a guy that's help to solidify the point guard position that use to be EXTREMELY unstable
    It was more about getting rid of Murphy for me..... I like Collison but honestly as a backup.
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    I've given up on the whole Deron Williams ever coming here idea no matter how much sense it would make for us. There are probably a good 4 or 5 times a game that I just groan because someone was standing WIDE OPEN and Darren missed it cause he's not looking up and concentrating on how he's going to beat the guy in front of him and where he's going to go with the ball. Rondo would be a perfect fit for us and he always seems to abuse Derrick Rose which would be another plus.
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