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    Question The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    C - Hibbert (All-Star)
    PF - West (former All-Star)
    SF - Granger (former All-Star)
    SG - George (future All-Star?)
    PG - Collison (...)

    I love DC as a back-up, but to be a serious contender, I think we need to upgrade the 1.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    yeah, obviously
    Collison is a defensive liability and doesn't have really good ways of scoring the ball or supreme court vision (So many times I've seen West in good position but not getting the ball, or Granger open outside, or Hibbert getting the ball 3-4 seconds after he should have gotten it)
    Collison isn't a bad point guard, he's good enough for now, but if we really plan on being a top 4 team in the east we need a better point guard.
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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I think DC's played pretty well this year. That said, I definitely agree if we're just talking starters. DC is still a young player, but I think his defense is what it will be, and that's honestly my biggest issue with him. I'd start somebody like Earl Watson over him based on that alone.
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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I figured this out last year without the help of any All-Star voting.
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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    Yes.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    Yes, he's the weakest link. But he's also better than any PG we've had since Jamaal Tinsley. Problem is, that's not saying much. The PG position has been very bad for the Pacers for a long time, and people have gotten used to mediocrity at the position. A player like Rajon Rondo would make a huge difference at that position. Probably as much as if we swapped Hibbert for Dwight Howard. That's just how important the PG position is on a team.

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    I hope we go after Deron Williams in the off season. His stock has gone down in NJ, and if he doesn't end up with Dwight, he can't stay in NJ. He'd make us a legit title contender.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    Weakest link? Probably. But every time I think we need something different, he puts together a pretty nice game.


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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    DC is the weakest starter, but if DC is your weakest starter your team is in pretty good shape.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I'm cool with DC.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    Long term? Maybe.

    But I wouldn't say that he's been outplayed by Paul George so far this year. Paul George has all-star potential, sure, but he's not there yet. DC's been playing pretty well unless he's going up against Deron Williams.
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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    My biggest concern with DC is just his passing and court vision. I think to be truly an elite team, that side of his game is going to have to get better or we look elsewhere.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I've never had a problem with DC. I think he's a good player. But talent wise, I like to compare our team to OKC and Miami. If we're ever going to compete with them, we have to raise our talent level by a lot. That's once again why I think a serious look at Deron Williams this summer (so long as Dwights whole scenario doesn't go as planned).

    5 former/current all stars starting could possibly compete with Miami and OKC. That's what the Pacers need to be able to do.

    And we'll still need DC. We'll still need him to come of the bench and score points for a non-scoring bench squad.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    he's a real good back up Point Guard. Nothing against the guy, he's solid but he lacks size and ball IQ.

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    heres the problem.....hes shoot first pas second..... we need pass first shoot second

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    Collison's been better than Granger this year, but of course Granger continues to get a pass after each and every 2/11, 4/16, etc performance. Seriously, people were calling out Collison after the Hornets game where he shot 8/11 for 18pts 8rebs 6asts and 1to. Even Paul George has been flat out awful at times, but because he's our wonderboy, nobody dares talk negatively about him. But after each and every Collison miss it's "we need 38yo no defense Nash to cure all of our problems".

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    heres the problem.....hes shoot first pas second..... we need pass first shoot second
    People say things like this all the time and I'm just not sure that is the case. How many true "pass first" point guards are there in the league? Nash, Rubio, Calderon, Rondo and CP3 are the ones that come to mind most readily. Plus, we need a scorer still. I have been a DC defender, but I agree that he is the weakest link in our starting five, and don't really think there's any debate over that. An upgrade would be nice, but I'm not sure how we do that without creating a hole somewhere else in the starting five.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I am good with DC starting,and being the weakest link starter. You can't have an all-star at every position.
    Now that GH is back and AJ playing better, I would go with what we have at the point for the rest of the year.

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I'm fine with DC as of right now. Yes, he is the weakest starter, but I think a lot of this is just nitpicking. Could we use an upgrade? Sure, but at what cost?

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    Keeping it real...I just want a bigger PG period. I don't mind Collison overall. I wouldn't be actively shopping him, unless I decided to act on a trade rumor. However, he's the one player that I wouldn't give that much to trading him. Personally, I'm in the camp that wouldn't mind giving Stephenson the starting PG job to see how he fits. I swear, IMHO, he just seems to be the better passer with better court vision when comparing the two. If Lance works on his jumper this summer, I believe he could become consistent role player at the min.

    Tyler would be a close second for me as far as trade bait goes.

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    If the Nets don't get Dwight, it's generally assumed that Deron will be a Mav.

    That's just one of those things when you aren't a warm weather or big market team. One of those types of teams will always be able to match the money.

    Collison is alright, and he's only 24. His best basketball is probably ahead.

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    Kendrick Perkins ( ... )
    Ibaka ( ... )
    Durant ( all star )
    Sefolosha ( ... )
    Westbrook ( all star )

    Good luck in playoffs OKC, having only 2 all stars/future all stars/old time all stars in starting 5.

    Sorry to break your bubble, Miami Heat, you arent going anywhere with only 2 all stars in your starting five either, you either go with 5 all stars or rebuild!

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    Default Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

    I like DC as a player and a person, but if we have a shot at Deron Williams if the Nets don't get Dwight we better take it. I'm hoping for some kind of move before the trade deadline even if it's not this... I'd be fine with DC for the rest of the season if we can get a guy like Kaman or something for basically nothing.

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    Kendrick Perkins ( ... )
    Ibaka ( ... )
    Durant ( all star )
    Sefolosha ( ... )
    Westbrook ( all star )

    Good luck in playoffs OKC, having only 2 all stars/future all stars/old time all stars in starting 5.

    Sorry to break your bubble, Miami Heat, you arent going anywhere with only 2 all stars in your starting five either, you either go with 5 all stars or rebuild!
    Ugh.

    It's not a numbers game, it's just having the ability to play on the same court as OKC and Miami.

    Miami has the best player in the NBA and the best two guard. They dominate. We have no one who can dominate. Deron at times can be a dominate player and if we added him, we'd be a complete team possibly being able to compete for a title.

    By the way, Durant/Westbrook are two of the best players in the league, Ibaka is one of the best PF's in the league, and Harden is one of the best two guards in the league. That team is absolutely stacked.

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    Ugh.

    It's not a numbers game, it's just having the ability to play on the same court as OKC and Miami.

    Miami has the best player in the NBA and the best two guard. They dominate. We have no one who can dominate. Deron at times can be a dominate player and if we added him, we'd be a complete team possibly being able to compete for a title.

    By the way, Durant/Westbrook are two of the best players in the league, Ibaka is one of the best PF's in the league, and Harden is one of the best two guards in the league. That team is absolutely stacked.
    Ah thanks for explaining!

    Also Westbrook is not one of the best NBA players, second, Ibaka is nowhere near the to be elite PF, and Harden is good.

    Also i was responding with an absurd comment to the absurd thread.

    And dont dare to say we have noone dominating, we have Paul George who one day will be HOF'er.

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