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    Read the post again, I said point guard issues, Melo hurt, Amare not in shape and dead in the family, 3 positions out of five, it would be like removing DC,AJ,Lance(they did not have anybody like them) Danny and West, what kind of record you think we could have?
    Hard to say. I think we'd have a much firmer grasp of the #3 seed if Hill hadn't been injured, though.
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    Default Re: Granger or Melo?

    The Pacers haven't had a very good health record this season. Their two best bench players have missed significant time. Danny was out of shape to start the season, and his shooting is still below average for him. The Pacers have had all types of issues, and still are in a much better position than the Knicks.

    That's not even taking into account that Amare would be the best player on the Pacers.

    The argument has been that Melo is so much better than Danny that he would make the Pacers instantly better. Well Melo can't even cover up the problems on his own team, with two players that are better than every other Pacer or at the very least better than every other Pacer not named Hibbert or West.


    The bigger point is that Carmelo still needs a TEAM around him. If by some way the Pacers and Knicks could swap Danny and Melo, the Pacers aren't turned into a title contender.

    They're still the 3rd or 4th best team in the East, trailing both Chicago and Miami.

    We're arguing over whether or not Melo is a good enough #1 option or not, when the entire landscape of the NBA has changed. LeBron isn't even good enough to be by himself. Kobe needed Shaq. And then he needed Pau.

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    Sure, and early on in the thread several people (myself included) acknowledged that. If you're talking about guys you're intent on trading again, then it's Melo all the way.

    The thought that led to this post, though, was that I really don't see New York being significantly worse if they had Granger instead of Melo. Melo's a dominating player, for sure, but he also brings drama.

    I'm tired of drama. I've had enough of it the past few years. I want guys who are going to go out and play hard and win a lot of games. I don't think swapping in Melo makes us a contender, and I wouldn't want to put up with him if we weren't a contender.

    EDIT: Wait, I just re-read your post. You just said "not a huge change"? Then what warrants your incredulity at this thread?
    It's a little bit like saying would you trade Roy Hibbert for Andrew Bynum if they had equal contracts?

    If all things are equal, of course you try to make the deal for the better player. Melo is the better player, so you make the deal.

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    I don't think too many people would be open to swapping Hibbert for Bynum.

    I assume, following your logic, that you'd have traded Reggie Miller for Caron Butler (in 2004) if that option was available?

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    I don't think too many people would be open to swapping Hibbert for Bynum.

    I assume, following your logic, that you'd have traded Reggie Miller for Caron Butler (in 2004) if that option was available?
    are you trying to insult Reggie Miller by implying that he was worse than Caron Butler, at any point in time, 2004 or 2012?


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    I don't think too many people would be open to swapping Hibbert for Bynum.

    I assume, following your logic, that you'd have traded Reggie Miller for Caron Butler (in 2004) if that option was available?
    Have Danny Granger or Roy Hibbert built up as much loyalty and goodwill as Reggie Miller?

    Seriously, when the argument is that you can't trade Granger for Anthony, because Anthony isn't a winner, tell me, what has Granger ever won?

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    I don't think too many people would be open to swapping Hibbert for Bynum.

    I assume, following your logic, that you'd have traded Reggie Miller for Caron Butler (in 2004) if that option was available?
    I would swap Hibbert for Bynum in a heartbeat. There is no comparison....

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    The Pacers haven't had a very good health record this season. Their two best bench players have missed significant time.
    We've had a quite good health record compared to other teams in the East. It's true that we have missed two important bench players for a significant amount of time but teams like the Hawks, the Sixers, the Bulls, the Heat, the Celtics and the Knicks have missed some starters for quite some time. I think that only the Magic had less injuries than us from the teams that are currently in the playoff picture.

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    I would swap Hibbert for Bynum in a heartbeat. There is no comparison....
    No with Bynum needing knee lubrication 3 times a year, no thank you.

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    are you trying to insult Reggie Miller by implying that he was worse than Caron Butler, at any point in time, 2004 or 2012?

    Caron Butler was a great player on those Wizards teams of the mid-2000s. He's still pretty solid now when healthy.

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    Have Danny Granger or Roy Hibbert built up as much loyalty and goodwill as Reggie Miller?

    Seriously, when the argument is that you can't trade Granger for Anthony, because Anthony isn't a winner, tell me, what has Granger ever won?
    You won't see me arguing against Anthony because he isn't a winner. I distinctly remember Syracuse winning the NCAA Championship in 2003. I just think you have to consider Danny Granger's history as a Pacer as part of his value to the franchise. I'm emotionally invested in the kid in a way that I'm not with Carmelo. I'd rather try to win with him than without him.
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    No with Bynum needing knee lubrication 3 times a year, no thank you.
    This is the silliest thread in history. Bynum is in a different league as a player than Roy. I don't care about his knees... He would be better than Hibbert if he played from his knees.... People won't trade Granger for Melo?

    I suppose you wouldn't trade D.C. for Rondo either? That would be just as foolish.....
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    This is the silliest thread in history. Bynum is in a different league as a player than Roy. I don't care about his knees... He would be better than Hibbert if he played from his knees.... People won't trade Granger for Melo? Idiots......

    I suppose you wouldn't trade D.C. for Rondo either? That would be just as foolish.....
    You don't care about his knees? How somebody can play from his knees? Wtf does that means?

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    You don't care about his knees? How somebody can play from his knees? Wtf does that means?
    It means that he is in another world talent wise as Hibbert...... It was sarcasm, I know you would find that hard to understand.......

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    Idiots......
    Hmm. I thought on all the other places you posted everyone called you names but you don't do that?

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    Hmm. I thought on all the other places you posted everyone called you names but you don't do that?
    Not much but you are right. I will correct that. Thank you.......

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    Default Re: Granger or Melo?

    Let me ask you guys one thing: what effect would bringing Melo here (and sending Granger away) have on the development of Paul George? Or would that even matter?

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    Let me ask you guys one thing: what effect would bringing Melo here (and sending Granger away) have on the development of Paul George? Or would that even matter?
    Good question. I don't think it would have a positive effect on Paul's development but I could be wrong. In fact, I don't think that anyone could tell with certainty that it would have a positive, a negative or any kind of effect at all.

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    The argument "If salaries are the same, take the better player" doesn't make sense to me. Do you guys have no appreciation for the dynamics of team chemistry? Everything about Melo's game has screamed "chemistry killer" in the past, whereas you've never heard a bad word about Danny as a teammate. Melo might be a good guy too but really, everything from the past 12 months suggests that teams are measurably worse with him and better without him.

    Not making this deal 100 times out of 100.

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    I would swap Hibbert for Bynum in a heartbeat. There is no comparison....

    You are right, Bynum is constantly injured. Not to mention Bynum's salary vs Hibbert's.

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    I don't care about his knees... He would be better than Hibbert if he played from his knees....:

    That's got to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen on PD! If there was a PD award for the most outrageous posts, you w/o a doubt would win hands down. AND to think you got banned from RATS with those Nazi mods, surely not.

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    That's got to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen on PD! If there was a PD award for the most outrageous posts, you w/o a doubt would win hands down. AND to think you got banned from RATS with those Nazi mods, surely not.
    And you think that was serious? I was just making the point that he is much better than Hibbert in just about any condition. Now, do you have it? I would make that trade in a heart beat and trade Granger for Mello and this team is a whole lot better.........

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    Default Re: Granger or Melo?

    My RealGM account is finally activated. I asked the question. Here's the link to the thread so you can follow it:

    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...7869&start=495

    By the way, here's the first answer:

    First thought is, you'd be crazy not to. The thinking about it further, you hesitate because Melo is a ball stopper and our system isn't fit for ball stoppers.

    That said, damn - having both Rose and Melo in crunch time to compete with the Heat would be interesting.

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