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    Odd thoughts: Unchained...

    Well if nothing else the bench certainly had a break out night. This was good for two reasons. 1. It has been a long time since the bench was really much of a factor in games. 2. Our starters didn’t have a lot going on tonight so this was a great night for them to produce.

    Was it a coincidence that this was the night that George Hill returned and the bench once again became a cohesive unit? I think not.

    While he only had four points and three assists he was very active in moving the ball and often times hit players for shots that they were fouled on thus negating any assist he would have been awarded. His defense was also very good for a player who hasn’t been on the court for almost a month.

    It’s really very hard to judge what type of impact he would have on a regular game, I don’t consider games vs. the Bobcats regular games, but it surely can’t hurt.

    The great news is that our 4 game winning streak vs. the cupcake teams has happened at the exact same time that the Philadelphia 76ers has hit a 5 game losing streak. The bad news is that because Orlando has a better record than us, even though we now have a better record than the 76ers, we have not been able to rise in the standings due to Philly being the leader of the Atlantic. In fact we actually are a game and a half ahead of Philly.

    Hopefully Orlando can move Howard and totally collapse after the all-star break.

    Again I am not unhappy about winning but just to be blunt this current 4 game win streak is less than impressive due to the level of competition. However it did go a long way in erasing that 5 game losing streak. Sadly though the shadow casts by those losses to the Hawks and Heat just loom very large for me, not because we lost but because we did not even compete. Even though we all know the problems we still are having problems with something that was our strong suite in the beginning of the season and that is rebounding. Tonight we finally caught up but in the first half we were getting beat on the boards again.

    I think I’ll be better again the next time we beat a good team. That is what I’m looking for right now. Certainly I appreciate the break in the schedule but I know that just snacking up on these wins can be fruit from the poisonous tree.

    But let’s not disparage the team after a win, especially a win that the bench pretty much was responsible for.

    Tonight will be bullet point style.

    • Well if you’re going to talk you have got to start with Tyler Hansbrough. He hit his first jumper. You can almost determine how he is going to play in a game based on if he hit’s or misses his first jump shot. Season high in scoring but almost as important was the fact that he was hitting the boards hard. Hard to imagine him getting his shot blocked 5 times and still be the best player, but somehow he did.

    • A.J. Price had his best game as a Pacer. Quite possibly the best point guard play we have had in years. He was working the pick and roll tonight as though he were Steve Nash (ok that is a little much but you get the point he was dang good). Took seven shots but I felt like every single one of them was within the flow of the offense and was not forced. His defense was solid as well but tonight his great play was on the offensive side of the floor, he was probably as important as Tyler was in this game.

    • Lou Amundson was just a work horse out there. Yea you would like for him to hit more of his shots from the floor but then again if Granger can’t hit then why should we expect it from Lou. But everything else he did he was superb at. 6 offensive rebounds 6 defensive rebounds and 2 blocks. I don’t know about anybody else but I certainly appreciate the effort he brought to the floor and I will say he was a huge part of the reason we won this game.

    • Dahntay Jones is just so in control of his game on the offensive end does he even seem like the same player who used to just put his head down a barge his way to the basket often running over people? That put back dunk with the exclamation scream was a back breaker for the Bobcats. Solid defense as always.

    • George Hill in just a very short time back made his presence felt right away. He is just so important for our team because he is a do anything kind of a guard. He can defend, he can pass or he can score. He had two perfect passes to Tyler tonight and I wonder how much Hansbrough missed him while he was out.

    The starters are hard to judge because they hardly played in the second half. Roy was having a decent game and while Danny couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn again he was at least getting to the free throw line.

    Well as we enter the all-star break if we reflect we have to be very happy with our record and also we had some very big wins on the road with victories in Dallas, Minnesota, Los Angles & Chicago. We had a couple of very disappointing losses to Miami and one to Atlanta.

    But thanks to us finally catching a break the schedule and taking care of teams that we had to take care of we are right back at one of the top teams in the East.

    Let’s all take a break, enjoy seeing Paul & Roy in the all-star weekend and come back with a new dedication to attack the second half of the season and make a very strong statement going to the playoffs.

    BTW, isn’t it great to say playoffs and actually not talk about just trying to make them?

    Long live Frank!

    Also I apologize for the brevity of my posts tonight but as Naptown Seth can attest we spent Wednesday night running with the devil and I had to watch the game when I got home at 1.



    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

    Unchained......yeah ya hit the ground running. Hopefully that's what the Pacers do after the break.

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    • #3
      Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

      Tyler's ERUPTION was great!
      AJ was ON FIRE tonight!
      That was a great JUMP by Dahntay on the putback!
      I just wish the starters played better so it was the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS!
      Oh well the Pacers still have won me over with their great first half, SO THIS IS LOVE?
      Now I can DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY!
      Last edited by TheDavisBrothers; 02-23-2012, 04:07 AM.
      Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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      • #4
        Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

        I wish AJ had a more consistent shot. When he can shoot, he REALLY makes an impact on the game. Since his rookie year I've not been able to put my finger on it at any point, but when he's out there things just seem to run smoother. I can't say why, I don't know why but I can see it. When he's shooting well it just goes to another level.

        Late 2nd round picks don't make the team a lot of times. He's a solid, solid pick at #22 in the 2nd round. I wish I could pinpoint what he does different, but I generally get a different feel from the team when he's out there with the 2nd unit.

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          Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

          Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
          Tyler's ERUPTION was great!
          AJ was ON FIRE tonight!
          That was a great JUMP by Dahntay on the putback!
          I just wish the starters played better so it was the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS!
          Oh well the Pacers still have won me over with their great first half, SO THIS IS LOVE?
          Now I can DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY!

          Yeah but when PUSH COMES TO SHOVE can Vogel convince the team to bring it every night? I'LL WAIT for the day that this team plays consistent ball. He just needs to convince the team to GET UP for every game and we'll be standing on TOP OF THE WORLD. RIGHT NOW would be a good time to start

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            Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

            Originally posted by presto123 View Post
            Yeah but when PUSH COMES TO SHOVE can Vogel convince the team to bring it every night? I'LL WAIT for the day that this team plays consistent ball. He just needs to convince the team to GET UP for every game and we'll be standing on TOP OF THE WORLD. RIGHT NOW would be a good time to start
            Double thanks for the word play and the actual message! I think we can really make some noise this year if our intensity is as high as it was against Dallas or Chicago, unfortunately we haven't maintained it enough...
            Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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              Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

              Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
              Double thanks for the word play and the actual message! I think we can really make some noise this year if our intensity is as high as it was against Dallas or Chicago, unfortunately we haven't maintained it enough...

              Thanks. I agree. The inconsistency of this team drives me crazy but when playoff time comes I think they will be focused and up to the challenge.

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              • #8
                Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                I am expecting Lance to pretty much sit the rest of the way this season. he's gotten consistent minutes through the first 33 games. He's shown improvement, but he needs a lot more work and I think it is obvious any minutes Lance might have gotten should go to George Hill and even AJ Price. Price is not any type of longterm solution (like Lance might be) but Pacers need to win as many games as possible and AJ helps that more than Lance does right now.

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post

                  Again I am not unhappy about winning but just to be blunt this current 4 game win streak is less than impressive due to the level of competition. However it did go a long way in erasing that 5 game losing streak. Sadly though the shadow casts by those losses to the Hawks and Heat just loom very large for me, not because we lost but because we did not even compete.

                  I think I’ll be better again the next time we beat a good team. That is what I’m looking for right now. Certainly I appreciate the break in the schedule but I know that just snacking up on these wins can be fruit from the poisonous tree.
                  I Agree. This 4-game winning streak, as nice as it is, comes after a 5-game losing streak where we weren't even close to being competitive in 2 of them, and lost to the lowly Cavs in another. In my eyes, we dont have many wins against quality competition (I don't count the Bulls b/c they were without their second best player, and we barely won that game)

                  Don't get me wrong, I LOVE our record right now. But it's definitely misleading. But, as Bill Parcells would say "you are what your record says you are" Hopefully we improve and are able to at least beat a few good teams during the second half of the season

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                    Should we make a run at Wilson Chandler?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                      Why?
                      “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        Why?
                        I think he'd help this team, both now and in the long term.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                          Originally posted by Peck View Post
                          Again I am not unhappy about winning but just to be blunt this current 4 game win streak is less than impressive due to the level of competition.
                          Great write-up as always, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with this one sentiment. This four game winning streak against terrible teams has me more excited than anything else about this year's team. In years past the Pacers would ALWAYS play down to their competition... they would beat Boston or LA and then lose the next three games to the worst three teams in the league. That always drove me completely insane.

                          This team seems to be much better at consistently beating the bad teams that they need to beat in order to get a decent seed in the playoffs...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                            He doesn't take the Pacers to a top-tier team, he plays the same positions as Danny and PG.

                            The Pacers need to address bigger weaknesses than the 2-3 positions.
                            “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              Re: Odd thoughts: Unchained...

                              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                              (I don't count the Bulls b/c they were without their second best player, and we barely won that game)
                              If you don't count the win against the Bulls then you shouldn't count the losses against the Sixers and the Cavaliers either. Consistency, people, consistency

                              That said, the 4 game winning streak alone is not telling a lot. Still, the guys had the resolve to come through and answer to the losing streak with a streak of their one. Sure, it was against bad to mediocre competition at best (I still think that the Hornets are better than their record but that's besides the point). But it's not like we could play with harder opponents and chose not to.

                              No one can change the schedule. Sometimes the schedule has some tough matches in the row and you lose your concentration and end up with a losing streak. Sometimes you get some weak competition in the row and end up with a winning streak. We shouldn't read too much into our losing streak or into the winning streak.

                              What we have to look into is our inconsistent level of play. We also need to improve ourselves in certain areas. We are very weak in transition and when it comes to PnR. We cannot really run or defend either of those. Also, as of lately we're a bit shaky when it comes to FT shooting. Those are the things that we should improve on during the break.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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